I want no part of Aaron Glenn as a HC (35 Viewers)

[texasjefe]

Yeah , taking a couple zoom interviews is why they lost the game SMH. NO they did not win 15 games as an injured defense. They got injured AS THE SEASON WENT ON !!!!! . Yeah all 14 defensive players went on IR in the FIRST GAME. Some times the things you say are mind-boggling

Tough toots if you disagree with my take that the Lions were distracted by the hype around their coordinators.

I never said the Lions were all injured in week one.
They lost starters to injury like a many teams throughout the season, and Branch got banged up during the game.

No excuses, they had more than enough good personnel to go 15-2. If you want to break their season into segments, pinpointing when injuries hit, have a jolly time. They went 15-2 so no excuses for injuries. That was a distracted team and Jayden Daniels ate them up.

 

[DSnfla]

This is the biggest mark against him. It’s not “one game.” He’s been a below-average DC his entire time in Detroit.

This year, the injuries hit hard, but that doesn’t explain the other years. Dennis Allen, for all his flaws as a head coach, was much better at scheming around injuries and lack of talent than Glenn has been.

So unless Glenn is truly a magical personality whose mere presence can motivate a team to new heights, I don’t see why he should be near the top of the wish list.

So let's see , in 2020 the Lions were dead last in D rankings, They added 2 DTs in the 3rd rd in the draft . In 21 they moved up 1 spot without adding much talent. in 22 they moved up another 2 spots , in 23 they jump another 6 spots , adding more talent. They were poised to make a big jump in 24 but were more decimated by injuries on D than we were on O. I don't know what can be expected when you inherit the worst D in the league and don't really add difference makers until yr 3.

 

[DSnfla]

Well, you judge coaches by how they scheme for other teams and how they adapt during the toughest tests. I’d say he failed the pressure test.

Go watch the Vikings game.

 

[DSnfla]

It’s not short sighted. It’s the best way to hire head coaches. Otherwise you just constantly replace OCs. It’s a lot easier to hire and hold onto a good DC than it is an OC. Name all of the great OCs out there looking for OC jobs. Kubiak may be the best one. Now think about the DCs. Saleh, Eberflus, DA, maybe Zimmer…

Tell that to Shanny , he lost Ryans and can't find a DC to replace him. And guess who is the scapegoat when a HC needs to be fired? The OC. I love how all these DC are great DCs after they get fired as HC but OCs that get fired from HC jobs are trash. Waldron is still a good OC , Dorsey is still a good OC McDaniels was a good OC ( Bad HC) . Quinn has no problem hiring great OCs

 

[DSnfla]

Tough toots if you disagree with my take that the Lions were distracted by the hype around their coordinators.

I never said the Lions were all injured in week one.
They lost starters to injury like a many teams throughout the season, and Branch got banged up during the game.

No excuses, they had more than enough good personnel to go 15-2. If you want to break their season into segments, pinpointing when injuries hit, have a jolly time. They went 15-2 so no excuses for injuries. That was a distracted team and Jayden Daniels ate them up.

LOL Tough Toots you must have looked long and hard to come up with that in-depth insightful comeback.
You said they went 15-1 with an injured defense, they did not, they did not start getting injury bug on D until mid-season after they had won like 7-8 games

 

[DSnfla]

So in other words...

They're not looking beyond the results?

If you don't understand what ML meant by that statement then I can't help you

 

[texasjefe]

LOL Tough Toots you must have looked long and hard to come up with that in-depth insightful comeback.

Wrong. Saw it during the game, and took about 1 minute to make a gif in your honor.

As for the word salad permeating your recent posts...

 

[DSnfla]

Wrong. Saw it during the game, and took about 1 minute to make a gif in your honor.

As for the word salad permeating your recent posts...

LOL I guess it's hard for a guy to eat salad without a fork . I doubt you'll get that either

 

[texasjefe]

LOL I guess it's hard for a guy to eat salad without a fork . I doubt you'll get that either

It's really not, and animals eat with far less mechanical "hands" than we have.

Though I guess to your point, I have no forks.

 

[JackDiesel]

Yeah lets not hire a coordinator that didn't have a top 16 ranking in their last 3 yrs or one that got their playcalling duites taken away from them . let's not hire SEAN PAYTON in 06
LOlL it's not the system it's the players. You don't have to have elite players at every position on D, just a couple sprinkled in with good ones. Yes DA's system relies on a good pass rush but EVERY system does. I'm not defending DA as a HC but his D was a big reason we had success for SP's last yrs here. And it was Payton that pushed for Davenport to the tune of trading up for him NOT DA

Yeah I don't want Glenn. Moore was a scapegoat for McCarthy, Payton was a Parcell's assistant which is what they were looking for.

As has already been said, in his scheme you don't need elite players at every position but you need them at the most expensive positions. Other coordinators scheme's you can get away with lesser CB's and smaller DE's. Not in DA's. His defense was designed to stop pocket passers, it's why we used to have so much success. You never had to worry about the QB running so you could pin your ears back and rush the passer and your CB's could have their back to them. Now look at every single QB left in the playoffs, they can all run or scramble. Same with our division. It doesn't work anymore.

 

[DSnfla]

It's really not, and animals eat with far less mechanical "hands" than we have.

Though I guess to your point, I have no forks.

I guess you eat on all fours then LOL

 

[44slayer]

How dare Glenn not pitch a shutout with all those quality defensive players, AND overcome 5 TOs including a pick 6. Let's string him up!!!!

You hire guys as Head Coaches that DO overcome those things. Instead, he gave up 45. And its not 1 game. 4 years, the highest ranked defense he has put on the field is NINETEEN.

Those things are not reasons you promote someone to HC. You promote a guy to HC that overcomes them. The things you listed are excuses for why he didnt. Not why he overperformed as a DC. Instead of saying, he held Wash to 21 even with all the injuries.....you say he gave up 45 because of them. Do you see what youre doing with this?

This is a continuation of the excuse era that you have been so proud to endorse. Everything we've done wrong for years, youve supported each and every one of them. So lets bring back a guy who WORKED FOR the last guy we fired. Who runs the same defense. But hasnt been as successful as a DC as the dolt we just fired.

Its no shock, and its pointless. But this seems rather easy to work out.

 

[DSnfla]

Yeah I don't want Glenn. Moore was a scapegoat for McCarthy, Payton was a Parcell's assistant which is what they were looking for.

As has already been said, you don't need elite players at every position but you need them at the most expensive positions. Other coordinators scheme's you can get away with lesser CB's and smaller DE's. Not in DA's. His defense was designed to stop pocket passers, it's why we used to have so much success. You never had to worry about the QB running so you could pin your ears back and rush the passer and your CB's could have their back to them. Now look at every single QB left in the playoffs, they can all run or scramble. Same with our division. It doesn't work anymore.

If Moore was a scapegoat for McCarthy why did offensive production and pts go up after he was fired ?
There were other coaches available from Parcell's coaching tree, they picked Payton because of his attention to detail and drive not because of his rankings.
If you think that the Lions lost just because of AG's defense then you must have missed the 5 TOs including a pick 6 or else there'd be a pocket passer in the NFCCG.

Yes there is a trend toward more mobile QBs , What , you think DCs will not adjust to that if it becomes the norm?

 

[DSnfla]

You hire guys as Head Coaches that DO overcome those things. Instead, he gave up 45. And its not 1 game. 4 years, the highest ranked defense he has put on the field is NINETEEN.

Those things are not reasons you promote someone to HC. You promote a guy to HC that overcomes them. The things you listed are excuses for why he didnt. Not why he overperformed as a DC. Instead of saying, he held Wash to 21 even with all the injuries.....you say he gave up 45 because of them. Do you see what youre doing with this?

This is a continuation of the excuse era that you have been so proud to endorse. Everything we've done wrong for years, youve supported each and every one of them. So lets bring back a guy who WORKED FOR the last guy we fired. Who runs the same defense. But hasnt been as successful as a DC as the dolt we just fired.

Its no shock, and its pointless. But this seems rather easy to work out.

His D gave up 38 NOT 45. There comes a point that the greatest OC, DC and HC cannot overcome DECIMATING INJURIES . BUddy Ryan's 86 bears could not overcome those kind of injuries. It's really naive to think that ANY coach can magically make elite players out of 3rd and 4th string players


Also , did you not know that the Lions offense had FIVE TOs ????? Including a pick 6??? Now follow me here, that's FIVE possessions and 7 points they gave up. FOUR opportunities for the offense to score and FOUR more opportunities for the OTHER team to score

You seem hung up on rankings, I guess you should go and see where Payton's offense was ranked as the Cowboy's OC . You wouldn't have hired him either
SMH SMH SMH

 

[GrandAdmiral]

If you don't understand what ML meant by that statement then I can't help you

Not looking for any help Mickey.