Israel (now broader Mid East discussion) (4 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

If you didnt refer to deep state in the Qanon conspiracy rabbit hole then my apologies.

As for the copyright stuff, I am a videographer that spends about half of my life fighting piracy, particularly on social media and founded a company to help other photographers and videographers do the same. The major tech companies have undermined IP laws that help protect photographers and videographers and news organizations. Why? Because all of these social media platforms generate hundreds of billions of dollars a year by making it nearly impossible to protect content. In the meantime, people like that tool bag are aggregating news, video, photos and then republishing them on places like Twitter drowning out the people adhering to at least some journalistic standards.

The news companies that hire photogs, journalists, videographers and buy video from stringers invest a lot of time and money. They now are unable to make that money back because breaking an exclusive story lasts about 30 seconds before everyone with a check mark is regurgitating the story or video for free. Then when this happens across hundreds of sources the journalists are no longer profitable and being sold to media conglomerates with political agendas and we all suffer.

Then, the news agencies have to scramble to crank out breaking news stories to try and keep up and they start making mistakes. Somehow, they are the ones getting called out by divisive politics and the people ripping all of their work become the viable alternative to the “MSM”.

You can see when the news was breaking last night, I cut Israel no slack and questioned everything. However, when the 3-4 pieces of evidence I was looking for last night became available at daylight the facts became overwhelming. Breaking situations are complicated and constantly evolving. The facts and speculation are murky and begin to merge. Under the fog of war it is amplified beyond recognition it is why the headlines may be wrong but in the article they almost always say this is a breaking situation and will be updated as details emerge. Yet when the NYT updated their headlines as the information became available, instead of recognizing they are trying to update with the most recent information it turns into a conspiracy that NYT is trying to change the narrative for the deep state.

I get accused of being part of the deep state all the time because I understand meteorology. When I create the video people fill up the comments about the deep state, haarp, space lasers and all kinds of other crazy sheet because somehow, that is easier for them to understand than climate change and natural disasters. All that crazy sheet has to be true or their entire world is broken and everyone they have trusted is lying to them.

Anyway, sorry for the psuedo derailment but yeah, I got triggered and wish people understood the harm that is being done by social media and tech through piracy, conspiracies and a complete lack of transparency and oversight. Every social media account should be required to be verified by ID to get rid of the bots, the false amplification and to bring a level of accountability. So simple to solve so many problems but we can’t do it because these giant tech firms won’t make as much money or have as much power. Unfortunately with AI, this is just the tip. People 20 years from now will be looking back at the 2020’s as the good old days.

/rant

Thank you for this. You are doing important work and this is a good place to inform people of what's happening out there behind the scenes. I hate when lazy people and companies steal other people's hard-earned work.

 

[DaveXA]

There are hundreds of Americans trapped in Gaza

Doubts, fears run high for Palestinian Americans stuck in Gaza

Hundreds of Americans gathered by Egypt's Rafah crossing, which remains closed Monday following promises from the U.S. State Department that it would be opened.

www.nbcnews.com

Egypt needs to get off their arses and open the crossing.

 

[Madmarsha]

If you didnt refer to deep state in the Qanon conspiracy rabbit hole then my apologies ..... (trimmed for brevity)

Anyway, sorry for the psuedo derailment but yeah, I got triggered and wish people understood the harm that is being done by social media and tech through piracy, conspiracies and a complete lack of transparency and oversight. Every social media account should be required to be verified by ID to get rid of the bots, the false amplification and to bring a level of accountability. So simple to solve so many problems but we can’t do it because these giant tech firms won’t make as much money or have as much power. Unfortunately with AI, this is just the tip. People 20 years from now will be looking back at the 2020’s as the good old days.

/rant

I don't think that's a rant at all. I think that's a very necessary explanation for everyone but especially non-critical thinkers. We yell, we rant, we scream and expect people to understand exactly why we're yelling, ranting, and screaming. Then when you ask, you get met with something along the lines of the "classic" girlfriend comeback, Well, if YOU don't know, I'm not going to tell you.

Your next to last sentence about this being just the tip? TWSS. It's going nowhere good.

So, thank you for your unique perspective, Brandon.

 

[bclemms]

Thank you for this. You are doing important work and this is a good place to inform people of what's happening out there behind the scenes. I hate when lazy people and companies steal other people's hard-earned work.

Thank you. Seeing what I see hundreds of thousands of times a year can make you pretty jaded and cynical. I find myself having to step away a lot more recently. I’m going to lose tge fight in the long run which makes doing it even more difficult but I will leave scars. Detectives will find the DNA of META, Twitter and Google under my fingernails at my autopsy.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Egypt needs to get off their arses and open the crossing.

There are multiple foreign nationals stuck there and they feel their stories are falling on deaf ears.

 

[Infoman]

As mentioned, the large majority of 2023 Palestinians were not even of voting age in 2006, and Hamas didn't even win a majority (they had a plurality). That was 17 years ago. I don't think all Palestinians should be held responsible for the election then. But yes, Hamas did win an election at one point.

2006 Palestinian legislative election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The numbers I found were over 440k votes for Hamas. With over a million votes cast. How did 80% not vote? (His point not yours) In my initial post I said exclude women and children as I am thinking they don’t get a vote. That’s near a half million votes. I could be wrong but, nothing much forceful has been done since to remove them from power by the population. And who really knows how many support them at this point. I’d think it’s 50/50 worst case. In which case…. That’s roughly a million people. It’s not a moot point. Certainly not 80% of the population opposes their ideals and methods. At least prior to the last few weeks.

 

[not2rich]

2006 Palestinian legislative election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The numbers I found were over 440k votes for Hamas. With over a million votes cast. How did 80% not vote? In my initial post I said exclude women and children as I am thinking they don’t get a vote. That’s near a half million votes. I could be wrong but, nothing much forceful has been done since to remove them from power by the population. And who really knows how many support them at this point. I’d think it’s 50/50 worst case. In which case…. That’s roughly a million people. It’s not a moot point. Certainly not 80% of the population opposes their ideals and methods. At least prior to the last few weeks.

What I read is that 44-45% of the vote went for Hamas. I don't know if or why turnout was low, but the United States historically doesn't have high turnout either. Ironically, it's the countries with sham elections that brag high turnout. Just like in this country, I would be careful about assuming the political beliefs of an entire country based on which side "won" any particular election.

 

[Infoman]

What I read is that 44-45% of the vote went for Hamas. I don't know if or why turnout was low, but the United States historically doesn't have high turnout either. Ironically, it's the countries with sham elections that brag high turnout. Just like in this country, I would be careful about assuming the political beliefs of an entire country based on which side "won" any particular election.

No doubt. But let’s just say for numbers sake that 40% of the just the current voting population supports this terrorist group as leadership in a populace of near 5 million people…. That’s a horrific number to fathom given the tasks needed to be carried out to eliminate Hamas. That’s where I was going with this.

 

[DaveXA]

2006 Palestinian legislative election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The numbers I found were over 440k votes for Hamas. With over a million votes cast. How did 80% not vote? (His point not yours) In my initial post I said exclude women and children as I am thinking they don’t get a vote. That’s near a half million votes. I could be wrong but, nothing much forceful has been done since to remove them from power by the population. And who really knows how many support them at this point. I’d think it’s 50/50 worst case. In which case…. That’s roughly a million people. It’s not a moot point. Certainly not 80% of the population opposes their ideals and methods. At least prior to the last few weeks.

He's saying 80% of the current population didn't vote 17 years ago because they were too young to vote. Another thing that is important to note is there are a LOT of young people in their demographics.

Meaning, a huge chunk of the Palestinian population has never had a voice in their own government and territory. It's time Hamas is removed from power and allow the Palestinians to govern themselves without outside influence from Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah.

 

[Infoman]

He's saying 80% of the current population didn't vote 17 years ago because they were too young to vote. Another thing that is important to note is there are a LOT of young people in their demographics.

Meaning, a huge chunk of the Palestinian population has never had a voice in their own government and territory. It's time Hamas is removed from power and allow the Palestinians to govern themselves without outside influence from Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah.

I get that…. I’m just talking raw numbers and probability. There’s no way to measure current hearts and minds. That said, given what I have seen in the indoctrination videos that they feed their kids in school… I think the odds are good that we are looking at numbers in the millions or more range when it comes Hamas sympathizers. My point was, that can’t be discounted and makes this situation much much worse.

 

[DaveXA]

I get that…. I’m just talking raw numbers and probability. There’s no way to measure current hearts and minds. That said, given what I have seen in the indoctrination videos that they feed their kids in school… I think the odds are good that we are looking at numbers in the millions or more range when it comes Hamas sympathizers. My point was was, that can’t be discounted and makes this situation much much worse.

Agreed. It's a tall, tall order. I don't know how it will happen either tbh.

 

[Madmarsha]

The US is full of "devils", everyone hates us while looking to see what we're gonna do about it. Stop it. We don't have the answer. None. Ah, hell, Alduous Snow said it best when he said ....





You can cancel Russell Brand but you can't cancel Infant Sorrow.

 

[GrayMatter78]

The US is full of "devils", everyone hates us while looking to see what we're gonna do about it. Stop it. We don't have the answer. None. Ah, hell ....

Yeah, you are right. I bolded the above because that is exactly what is and has happened. Is that fault created by the U.S. due to the many occurrences of minding other countries business in the past? They look at us for the answer but we shouldn't and certainly don't have it every time.

 

[Madmarsha]

Yeah, you are right. I bolded the above because that is exactly what is and has happened. Is that fault created by the U.S. due to the many occurrences of minding other countries business in the past? They look at us for the answer but we shouldn't and certainly don't have it every time.

And I specifically used the "devil" because I just heard someone being interviewed who said it. It was an English speaker but I don't even know if it was one of the people here protesting for the "ceasefire" in the Capitol or somewhere else. We are neither a Jewish state nor a Muslim county so how is this the US's problem to solve (rhetorical question)?

 

[V Chip]

2006 Palestinian legislative election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The numbers I found were over 440k votes for Hamas. With over a million votes cast. How did 80% not vote? (His point not yours) In my initial post I said exclude women and children as I am thinking they don’t get a vote. That’s near a half million votes. I could be wrong but, nothing much forceful has been done since to remove them from power by the population. And who really knows how many support them at this point. I’d think it’s 50/50 worst case. In which case…. That’s roughly a million people. It’s not a moot point. Certainly not 80% of the population opposes their ideals and methods. At least prior to the last few weeks.

The election was in 2006.

To vote in 2006, one had to be 18 years old then, thus would be 35 years old today.

According to the demographic pyramid shown (from CIA.gov), everyone in the 30-34 bar and below would not have been eligible to vote in their last election. That's about 1.5 to 1.6 million of the 2.1 million estimated residents of the Gaza strip that could not have voted in the last elections -- about 75% of the current Gaza populace.

Also of note: exit polls of the 2006 election had support for peace with Israel at ~80% and 75% thought Hamas should change its policy towards Israel.

Now of course, it is possible those young Palestinians have a more favorable view of Hamas, but it's also possible they might have a less favorable view. Opinion polls before the war had Hamas support declining over the years.