Jarvis Landry visiting Saints tomorrow (1 Viewer)

[SweetT]

My mistake, 4.55 is correct. ty.

Perhaps, I am comparing apples and oranges. So, MC aside. Jarvis has combined 5 TDS and 1450yds in 2 seasons. We shouldn't over pay for a falling knife.

It won’t be overpaying. The mid tier WR is pretty much set. He wouldn’t get a big contract at this point

 

[St. Widge]

I think he still has some good years left in him, and I think he would do well in our offense, but I hesitate when I imagine what he is probably asking for, and what he would probably accept. I couldn't see us paying him any more than maybe 9-10 mil a year, on a short term deal. I still like the idea of watching the draft to see if London/Williams/Wilson fall to us at 16. Olave would also be a good option.

IMO, Landry fits the slot role that Lance Moore played so well perfectly. And it's a really productive role in this offense that we have basically been missing since Snead left. Snead wasn't great, but he was pretty productive in that role for us. But, we will still need a young speed receiver to play outside and run deep routes. That's especially true if Winston, or another QB with a strong arm, is playing QB. I'd love to put Olave or Williams out wide with Landry in the Slot and MT on the other side of the field. And, having Landry would take some of the pressure off of a young receiver to come in an immediately be a star.

 

[St. Widge]

It won’t be overpaying. The mid tier WR is pretty much set. He wouldn’t get a big contract at this point

It's not about adding a mid tier WR, it's about the fact that we don't really have a WR that can play in the slot other than MT who plays it as a big slot. Giving MT the freedom to do other things would make him even more effective and allow guys like Calloway and TQS to fill the roles that they are best at. In addition, we are currently one more MT injury away from having Calloway as our #1 WR again which is something the team really can't let happen. He's not that guy.

 

[Snakehead]

It seems to me that we may be willing to get another veteran contract, for either Landry or Mathieu. If it was my choice, I prefer Mathieu but I don't think he will come to our price.

It is very important to understand the role Landry will play with us, more of a 3rd down/moving the chain receiver. We don't have that right now, and it won't diminish the need to go for a speedster at the first round.

What signing Landry will allow us, is to use an earlier pick on getting either a compliment running back or a tight end, both positions of need.

But since Landry's contract will be short termed, the need for a similar player will be delayed for a year or two.

I agree about what Landry's role would be if he were to sign. I do wonder if the future slot guy is already on the roster and bringing Landry in will help develop that guy, whether it be Baker, Winston or Merritt.

 

[St. Widge]

I agree about what Landry's role would be if he were to sign. I do wonder if the future slot guy is already on the roster and bringing Landry in will help develop that guy, whether it be Baker, Winston or Merritt.

He would have to help. MT is a great player, but he doesn't strike me as the type that likely spends a lot of time mentoring young receivers. Landry seems like he is that kind of guy and he knows all the tricks for getting open even without great speed.

 

[DerrickB]

I wouldn't mind signing Landry. Still need another WR though.

 

[WhoDatNationQC]

I'd be happy with JL because we need to get MT away from all those double teams. It would also help out Jameis Winston a ton because he had a poor cast of wideouts last year and still managed to rack up W's. If he starts the year with Thomas, Landry and one of the bluechip prospects we might pick next week, with Kamara in the backfield... he'll have more than enough talent to work with and by the same token, we can evaluate him properly for the next 2 years.

 

[Snakehead]

He would have to help. MT is a great player, but he doesn't strike me as the type that likely spends a lot of time mentoring young receivers. Landry seems like he is that kind of guy and he knows all the tricks for getting open even without great speed.

I agree. By watching and reading what different WRs have said, this pretty much summarizes both players leadership style. MT is a master at his craft and receivers have said they learn by watching him. Landry is a mentor/coach who is vocal and takes players under his wings to show them. It's not a knock on MT, it is just a different leadership style.

 

[St. Widge]

I'd be happy with JL because we need to get MT away from all those double teams. It would also help out Jameis Winston a ton because he had a poor cast of wideouts last year and still managed to rack up W's. If he starts the year with Thomas, Landry and one of the bluechip prospects we might pick next week, with Kamara in the backfield... he'll have more than enough talent to work with and by the same token, we can evaluate him properly for the next 2 years.

One quibble, Jameis eats W's.

 

[sammymvpknight]

I agree about what Landry's role would be if he were to sign. I do wonder if the future slot guy is already on the roster and bringing Landry in will help develop that guy, whether it be Baker, Winston or Merritt.

The problem with recruitment is that this is a low volume passing offense. Winston had training wheels on last year and completed 15 passes per game. If Thomas averages 7-8 catches per game, how much will be left? I’m sure the Saints will pass more, but I doubt the Saints deviate away from focusing on efficiency. If Landry is looking to put up big numbers for a better contract, his chances will probably be limited here.

 

[Snakehead]

The problem with recruitment is that this is a low volume passing offense. Winston had training wheels on last year and completed 15 passes per game. If Thomas averages 7-8 catches per game, how much will be left? I’m sure the Saints will pass more, but I doubt the Saints deviate away from focusing on efficiency. If Landry is looking to put up big numbers for a better contract, his chances will probably be limited here.

I wonder if the offense is going to be low volume going forward of if that was just how things played out last season with trying to keep the turnovers down and not having MT for the entire season. IMO, it looks like they are trying to build the offense back up to the days when it dominated to match this dominating defense we have now.

 

[jasonsw]

The thing is, Moss could play four more seasons in today's league and still not have Rices numbers. Even one the best 'modern' WRs (Fitzgerald) still has a long way to go to match those numbers. In an era of football where running the ball came first, Rice getting those kinds of numbers makes him the goat (not to put down Moss, who is obviously right there with him), imo.

Rice was a scientific and cerebral reciever. Whereas Moss was perhaps the most the gifted WR of all time.

When MOSS' physical abilities deteriorated his game fell off huge after 08.

Rice on the other hand was dominant from 84=02, because of his mental/intellectual abilities. In The NFL those abilities is what really gives you the edge. Every NFL player is physically gifted beyond belief. This weekends USFL showcase really highlighted how gifted NFL players really are.

 

[jasonsw]

I wonder if the offense is going to be low volume going forward of if that was just how things played out last season with trying to keep the turnovers down and not having MT for the entire season. IMO, it looks like they are trying to build the offense back up to the days when it dominated to match this dominating defense we have now.

I rhink Saints are going to go back to a more pass oriented offense this year. Last it had to bs the way it was. Winston had very limited weapons and on everyplay Kamara was triple covered by everyteams 3 best Defensive players.

A run orientated offense will never win you games regularly in the NFL again. Unless you possess a Derrick Henry. Even then come postseason they are no match for The Bengals, Chiefs, or Buffalo. Perhaps not even Denver now.

 

[St. Widge]

 

[St. Widge]

I wonder if the offense is going to be low volume going forward of if that was just how things played out last season with trying to keep the turnovers down and not having MT for the entire season. IMO, it looks like they are trying to build the offense back up to the days when it dominated to match this dominating defense we have now.

If they don't open the offense up it's a huge mistake IMO. Winston just isn't a game manager QB. He's a gun slinger. That can lead to some turnovers, but it also can lead to explosive plays. And DA said in his opening press conference that he wanted an offense that made explosive plays so I think we will see it opened up more.

And, if they don't want to open it up and take shots down field, then they need to go get another QB now. Trying to fit Winston into a low volume running game oriented offense just doesn't make sense. It's square peg in round hole stuff.

But, I do think the conservative approach last year had as much to do with the lack of any options at WR as much as putting the cuffs on Winston. I don't think Winston trusted any of his WRs and it showed in his hesitancy to throw over the middle or make relatively risk throws. So, I think he has to get over that, the offense needs to be opened up, and they need to add some weapons that Winston has more confidence in. Then again, any QB is going to need more weapons than we currently have.