Maybe Jon Gruden ends up being Saints HC? (1 Viewer)

[fishing4food]

2021 is what 3 years ago not 10. And he’s been in the loop even at KC’s camp with Andy Reid this past offseason. And with us the year before and other teams. My whole point is that we need an experienced coach that is also a leader of men. That players want to play for, and it’s not just rah rah, whatever that is. It’s deeper than that, it’s passion. And passionate players want to play for passionate coaches. It’s a personality trait. Gruden has that in spades. Who do you suggest that is available or that could be available?S

2021 is what 3 years ago not 10. And he’s been in the loop even at KC’s camp with Andy Reid this past offseason. And with us the year before and other teams. My whole point is that we need an experienced coach that is also a leader of men. That players want to play for, and it’s not just rah rah, whatever that is. It’s deeper than that, it’s passion. And passionate players want to play for passionate coaches. It’s a personality trait. Gruden has that in spades. Who do you suggest that is available or that could be available?

It's clearly you're beating the drum for a Gruden hire. Mike Vrabel is experiencded and is a leader and available.

 

[Rexman100]

It's clearly you're beating the drum for a Gruden hire. Mike Vrabel is experiencded and is a leader and available.

I’ve just come to realize that when the chips are down, and when we’re facing extreme adversity like we are right now. It’s these type coaches that keep the team together. Any coach can coach Peyton Manning with the Ravens D. Beating the drum for Gruden? Yes and no. With Carr as Qb1 entrenched for the next 3-4 years, then Yes. If we’re looking at benching Carr as soon as possible to move onto Rattler, not as much. However Gruden is “the Qb whisperer”. Imagine Rattler with that kind of tutelage. But I’d be open for a similar type coach in Vrabel. But for some reason, I can’t see Mickey hiring a big personality head coach.

 

[Rexman100]

No we don't know that. There is no way to now that for sure. Belichick was 29-38 his last 4 years in New England. We are not one elite QB away from being great, this team has so many roster holes and aging talent. No matter who comes in, it’s not going to be a simple 1 year process it’s going to take time.

Yes we do know that in Belichick. And yes it will take time.

 

[Bishop]

Vrabel wouldn't pay AJ Brown. I suspected his departure was the beginning of Titans' collapse.

 

[St. Widge]

2021 is what 3 years ago not 10. And he’s been in the loop even at KC’s camp with Andy Reid this past offseason. And with us the year before and other teams. My whole point is that we need an experienced coach that is also a leader of men. That players want to play for, and it’s not just rah rah, whatever that is. It’s deeper than that, it’s passion. And passionate players want to play for passionate coaches. It’s a personality trait. Gruden has that in spades. Who do you suggest that is available or that could be available?

Problem is that his team from 2018 to 2021 was 22-31. I'm not sure how that would make him a good candidate for the job. Beyond that, given the things he wrote in the past, it's highly questionable that today's NFL players would want to play for him much less feel motivated by anything he said. There are many other guys out there with passion that don't have losing records for their last 4 seasons as a HC and don't have allegations of racism in their past that led to them losing their last HC job.

I can't help but think that had he been fired for his terrible record, instead of off field issues, nobody would want to hire him. And there was every reason to fire him based on his team not performing on the field. And frankly, his one Super Bowl win came with a team that was built by Tony Dungy.

I mean if you just want a guy with passion, then promote Rizzi. And there are many others that have as much or more passion for the game than Gruden. You/We just don't know about them because they didn't spend 10 years on TV.

 

[St. Widge]

You have to choose wisely. For example, You know if you brought in Belichick that he’d at a minimum have this team playing hard and like a team. He’d prune the dead weight and have this team one elite Qb away from being great again. And maybe Rattler could be that guy. It’ll be interesting to see if Rattler repeats his mistakes, but that’s for another thread.

You say that, but once Tom Brady left New England fell apart under Belichick. They weren't one franchise QB away from being great by the time he left.

Being an NFL head coach is an incredibly difficult and demanding job. These guys basically have no life outside of football and it's why so many of them end up divorced. And the burn out rate is really high. Belichick for example, as great as he was, really just looks like he is done and burned out.

And frankly Gruden was never a great coach. He caught fire for a couple of years but the league caught up to him and he left the game for 10 years because he was burn out. And frankly, when he came back he wasn't a good coach. Again, he had a 22-31 record in his second stint with the Raiders. There is no reason to believe he is going to improve on that.

If there was a HC candidate out there with experience that had not proven to not be a good HC by getting fired, then sure hire him. But at this point they need to look for new blood that will bring new ideas. I'd consider Ben Johnson, Slowik, Aaron Glenn, and Rizzi off the top of my head. And I'm sure it wouldn't take long to find several other very qualified candidates for the job.

 

[St. Widge]

I personally would have a ton of patience, because I understand that it's not going to get fixed over night. The promise with DA was that the team was still ready to be a playoff team, that was clearly not the case and I don't trust DA to right the ship.

Yes you may hire someone and in three years and it not work and have to start over, that's just how the NFL works. Sometimes you get lucky and that young upcoming OC(Sean Payton) turns out to be a great coach. Your living in fantasy land if you think the answer is just bring in an experienced guy.

Agreed. The selling point for DA was that he would just continue what Payton started and build on it. So, fans had high expectations for what he was going to do. Hovering around .500, injuries or not, was never going to be acceptable in that context.

I think if you clean house and bring in a coach from the outside, fans will realize where the roster is and that this is a team that is rebuilding. That's going to buy a new coach some patience from the fans. And even if not, who cares? It's not about doing what the fans want in the short term. Because what we really want is to win so even if we are a bit impatient, if that coach can turn things around in a few years then the fans will be patient.

 

[Rexman100]

You say that, but once Tom Brady left New England fell apart under Belichick. They weren't one franchise QB away from being great by the time he left.

Being an NFL head coach is an incredibly difficult and demanding job. These guys basically have no life outside of football and it's why so many of them end up divorced. And the burn out rate is really high. Belichick for example, as great as he was, really just looks like he is done and burned out.

And frankly Gruden was never a great coach. He caught fire for a couple of years but the league caught up to him and he left the game for 10 years because he was burn out. And frankly, when he came back he wasn't a good coach. Again, he had a 22-31 record in his second stint with the Raiders. There is no reason to believe he is going to improve on that.

If there was a HC candidate out there with experience that had not proven to not be a good HC by getting fired, then sure hire him. But at this point they need to look for new blood that will bring new ideas. I'd consider Ben Johnson, Slowik, Aaron Glenn, and Rizzi off the top of my head. And I'm sure it wouldn't take long to find several other very qualified candidates for the job.

Bill is 72 and is likely done. Even after TB14 left, when teams played NE, they knew they had to prepare against a well coached team. The problem is, is that you need an elite Qb. Then once you have the elite Qb, you have to build around him. Starting with the Oline and playmakers. Bill is a defensive minded HC, so you'd know the D would be solid. The problem with the guys you mention will have to succeed immediately or else the fans will turn on them immediately. Because theyve never done it before. If we were already a top notch deep team with decent salarly cap to work with, then youtake your chances on a young guy. But we're staring down the barrel of 3-4 years. And no young coach will survive that. (dont forget that the players that make this team relevant are all of the older guys, and they will all have to be replaced)

 

[St. Widge]

I’ve just come to realize that when the chips are down, and when we’re facing extreme adversity like we are right now. It’s these type coaches that keep the team together. Any coach can coach Peyton Manning with the Ravens D. Beating the drum for Gruden? Yes and no. With Carr as Qb1 entrenched for the next 3-4 years, then Yes. If we’re looking at benching Carr as soon as possible to move onto Rattler, not as much. However Gruden is “the Qb whisperer”. Imagine Rattler with that kind of tutelage. But I’d be open for a similar type coach in Vrabel. But for some reason, I can’t see Mickey hiring a big personality head coach.

We can walk away from Carr after next year. And if Rattler plays well, they could probably figure out a way to do it earlier or just let him sit on the bench next year and move on after next year.

I'm not sure how Gruden is the QB whisperer. What great QB did he mentor?

If you want a QB mentor, throw money at Ben Jonson or Slowik.

 

[St. Widge]

Bill is 72 and is likely done. Even after TB14 left, when teams played NE, they knew they had to prepare against a well coached team. The problem is, is that you need an elite Qb. Then once you have the elite Qb, you have to build around him. Starting with the Oline and playmakers. Bill is a defensive minded HC, so you'd know the D would be solid. The problem with the guys you mention will have to succeed immediately or else the fans will turn on them immediately. Because theyve never done it before. If we were already a top notch deep team with decent salarly cap to work with, then youtake your chances on a young guy. But we're staring down the barrel of 3-4 years. And no young coach will survive that. (dont forget that the players that make this team relevant are all of the older guys, and they will all have to be replaced)

For such well coached and prepared teams they sure lost a lot of games. Not having an elite QB doesn't explain that away. I mean DA has never had an elite QB but he seems to be able to hover around .500 and he is far from a good HC.

As long as there is progress a young head coach can survive 3 or 4 years. And some even occasionally catch lightening in a bottle. Look at Payton or Zac Taylor. Or McVay or any number of other successful coaches that got their first job without prior HC experience. It happens all the time in the NFL that a team hires a young head coach who develops a team at a low point for a period of 3 to 4 years. And the guys that do that and are successful are the guys that turn into great coaches.

 

[St. Geezy]

I don't know a ton about Kliff Kingsbury, but maybe he'd be a good candidate for an offensive minded HC.

Maybe he'd be a good fit to develop our offense under Rattler as he's worked with young QB's like Mahomes (at Tech I believe), Murray, and now Daniels.

I felt Kliff got a raw deal in Arizona and they let an excellent young coach out their building. I’d be all for him as our HC.

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

I felt Kliff got a raw deal in Arizona and they let an excellent young coach out their building. I’d be all for him as our HC.

Agree, although I didn't really follow AZ a ton to know all of the details.

He'd be a perfect fit for developing Rattler, I think. He's doing well with Daniels.

EDIT: Didn't know this, but he was on our practice squad in 2004.

 

[Rexman100]

For such well coached and prepared teams they sure lost a lot of games. Not having an elite QB doesn't explain that away. I mean DA has never had an elite QB but he seems to be able to hover around .500 and he is far from a good HC.

As long as there is progress a young head coach can survive 3 or 4 years. And some even occasionally catch lightening in a bottle. Look at Payton or Zac Taylor. Or McVay or any number of other successful coaches that got their first job without prior HC experience. It happens all the time in the NFL that a team hires a young head coach who develops a team at a low point for a period of 3 to 4 years. And the guys that do that and are successful are the guys that turn into great coaches.

Do you have 4 years to burn on a rookie head coach? or would you rather someone like Harbough that its just a matter of time. This is my main point, the Gruden thing was just to point out his passion, we want a passionate HC that can inspire in the toughest of times. And not have your D simply give up completely after Carrs first series vs KC. (that wasnt even fair to Carr, because they did rally at some point) Or simply quit on the field vs TB. Bill B. was just an example of knowing what you're going to get. (i see we disgree on that)

 

[St. Widge]

I felt Kliff got a raw deal in Arizona and they let an excellent young coach out their building. I’d be all for him as our HC.

I wasn't high on him, but what he is doing with Daniels in Washington does put him on my radar.

 

[Rexman100]

It's clearly you're beating the drum for a Gruden hire. Mike Vrabel is experiencded and is a leader and available.

Watch this and report back to me your thoughts. I’m going to quiz you. So don’t watch two seconds and tell me you watched it. This goes out to all of people that says passion is over rated.