Maybe Jon Gruden ends up being Saints HC? (2 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

Do you have 4 years to burn on a rookie head coach? or would you rather someone like Harbough that its just a matter of time. This is my main point, the Gruden thing was just to point out his passion, we want a passionate HC that can inspire in the toughest of times. And not have your D simply give up completely after Carrs first series vs KC. (that wasnt even fair to Carr, because they did rally at some point) Or simply quit on the field vs TB. Bill B. was just an example of knowing what you're going to get. (i see we disgree on that)

I have 4 years to burn on a rookie head coach as much as I have 4 years to burn on a veteran HC that has already failed in prior jobs. Having experience as a head coach is no more a guarantee of success than not having experience is a guarantee of failure.

If Harbaugh was out there, sing me up for him, but he's not out there and Gruden isn't close to being Harbaugh. And I don't think anyone else out there is. Most of the better options are young guys with no HC experience.

But, maybe Kingbury is an option despite his record and getting fired might be a decent option given what he is doing with Daniels and the fact that before he had one really bad year in Arizona, he was thought of as an up and coming young HC. But, I don't recall the circumstances of that 4-13 record in his last year in Arizona.

 

[DaveXA]

How many Super Bowl winning coaches or great coaches that are available, and are passionate leaders of men? You all keep ignoring the real question.

Speaking of ignoring questions, you haven't addressed one of the bigger concerns Saints fans have, and it's the mess between the NFL and Gruden. The lawsuit while technically dismissed is still being reconsidered, so the litigation is still ongoing. We absolutely do not need this baggage. You can choose to ignore it, but it's a valid, legitimate issue.

Keep in mind Goodell is specifically named in the lawsuit along with the NFL.

Jon Gruden's dismissed lawsuit over leaked emails will receive full review

Gruden's lawsuit claims that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the league pressured a team into firing him by leaking emails.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Rexman100]

Speaking of ignoring questions, you haven't addressed one of the bigger concerns Saints fans have, and it's the mess between the NFL and Gruden. The lawsuit while technically dismissed is still being reconsidered, so the litigation is still ongoing. We absolutely do not need this baggage. You can choose to ignore it, but it's a valid, legitimate issue.

Keep in mind Goodell is specifically named in the lawsuit along with the NFL.

Jon Gruden's dismissed lawsuit over leaked emails will receive full review

Gruden's lawsuit claims that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the league pressured a team into firing him by leaking emails.

www.newsweek.com

My original point was to hire a passionate HC like Gruden, an experienced coach that you;ll know that its just a matter of time. Then some guy chimed in and attempted to crush Grudens on the field prowess. So i defended Gruden. Thats all. I agree, there may be too much baggage for any team to ever hire him again.

 

[DaveXA]

My original point was to hire a passionate HC like Gruden, an experienced coach that you;ll know that its just a matter of time. Then some guy chimed in and attempted to crush Grudens on the field prowess. So i defended Gruden. Thats all. I agree, there may be too much baggage for any team to ever hire him again.

Ah, that makes sense. So a coach in a similar mold to Gruden. I can agree with that.

 

[St. Widge]

My original point was to hire a passionate HC like Gruden, an experienced coach that you;ll know that its just a matter of time. Then some guy chimed in and attempted to crush Grudens on the field prowess. So i defended Gruden. Thats all. I agree, there may be too much baggage for any team to ever hire him again.

I think it's important to have a coach with that kind of passion, I just think unless he's a CEO coach like Dan Campbell, you need a guy who is also a great mind on the offensive or defensive side of the ball. I don't think Gruden is that even if we ignore the background issues and his record in his last job with the Raiders.

But you are right that those kinds of leadership skills are important. I think it's one of the things that Dennis Allen lacks and is part of the reason I don't think Klint Kubiak would be a good choice for the HC job and Rizzi might be.

At the same point if a guy is too much of a rah rah guy with noting in terms of X's and O's or wins to back it up, the modern day player will quickly turn a deaf ear to those motivational tactics.

 

[fishing4food]

Watch this and report back to me your thoughts. I’m going to quiz you. So don’t watch two seconds and tell me you watched it. This goes out to all of people that says passion is over rated.

I'm too old to take quiz's. If Gruden is your hill to die on, then so be it. Trying to convince me he;'s passionate is a mute point. Moving forward, Please keep in mind they're other coaches just as passiontate and with less baggage that he brings.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

My original point was to hire a passionate HC like Gruden, an experienced coach that you;ll know that its just a matter of time. Then some guy chimed in and attempted to crush Grudens on the field prowess. So i defended Gruden. Thats all. I agree, there may be too much baggage for any team to ever hire him again.

...And that on-the-field prowess shows that he was good for a few years between 2000-2002, winning a SB in 2002. The 10 seasons following his SB, he has been mired in mediocracy with only 3 winning seasons and only one of those being a double digit winning season.

People fell in love with his on-air personality from MNF, but the truth is that he's a mediocre coach. Dungy, another coach that I can't stand, managed a better record at TB than Gruden.

Gruden is the very definition of a "Has Been".

 

[Rexman100]

We can walk away from Carr after next year. And if Rattler plays well, they could probably figure out a way to do it earlier or just let him sit on the bench next year and move on after next year.

I'm not sure how Gruden is the QB whisperer. What great QB did he mentor?

If you want a QB mentor, throw money at Ben Jonson or Slowik.

I didn’t make that phrase up. “The Qb whisperer”. You can’t be myopic when deciding a head coach. He has to check all of the boxes. He can’t just be a nerd OC guru. He has to be the face of the team and can inspire grown men that make much more money than he does. Let that sink in. To do so, you need a passionate guy that inspires them to play the game and to forget about $. A guy that can make others believe when the chips are down. Do you realize, that the only starters on offense this week will be, Fuaga, Penning, Ak, Foster, JJ. This is the situation where you need an inspirational leader, if ive ever seen one.

 

[Mamba]

How does this thread have 8 pages?

 

[Rexman100]

I'm too old to take quiz's. If Gruden is your hill to die on, then so be it. Trying to convince me he;'s passionate is a moot point. Moving forward, Please keep in mind they're other coaches just as passiontate and with less baggage that he brings.

Gruden knows way more about our team than we do. He knows more about all of the teams than all of their fan bases. And I’m not dying on any hills. His lawsuit situation may have done him in, for all I know. I just want a guy that can coach us through adversity. Ever year we have adversity then we crumble. Crumble crumble crumble. Then we get healthy and win a few games. That’s not good enough.

 

[St. Widge]

I didn’t make that phrase up. “The Qb whisperer”. You can’t be myopic when deciding a head coach. He has to check all of the boxes. He can’t just be a nerd OC guru. He has to be the face of the team and can inspire grown men that make much more money than he does. Let that sink in. To do so, you need a passionate guy that inspires them to play the game and to forget about $. A guy that can make others believe when the chips are down. Do you realize, that the only starters on offense this week will be, Fuaga, Penning, Ak, Foster, JJ. This is the situation where you need an inspirational leader, if ive ever seen one.

It's a serious question about Gruden. I don't know who came up with the name the QB whisperer, but I can't think of any great, or really good QBs, that he developed. I guess he did a decent job with Carr, but he didn't turn Carr into a top 5 or even a top 10 guy.

I'm not being snarky here, I really don't know why Gruden would be called that.

And while passion is a good trait in a head coach and is something that Payton had, Dan Campbell has, and many others. It doesn't always come out as the vivacious personality that Gruden has. Bill Wash was passionate for the game but had no personality. Bill Bellichick is passionate for the game but has no personality. Andy Reid has personality and passion for the game, but he's not pumping people up like Gruden and Kyle Shanahan isn't a high energy guy. And while the Harbaugh brothers are demanding and have passion for the game, neither of them have that high energy personality that Gruden has.

So, there is more than one way to be successful as a head coach in the NFL. And the truth is that Gruden hasn't been very successful since his one Super Bowl win with Tony Dungy's team.

 

[Rexman100]

It's a serious question about Gruden. I don't know who came up with the name the QB whisperer, but I can't think of any great, or really good QBs, that he developed. I guess he did a decent job with Carr, but he didn't turn Carr into a top 5 or even a top 10 guy.

I'm not being snarky here, I really don't know why Gruden would be called that.

And while passion is a good trait in a head coach and is something that Payton had, Dan Campbell has, and many others. It doesn't always come out as the vivacious personality that Gruden has. Bill Wash was passionate for the game but had no personality. Bill Bellichick is passionate for the game but has no personality. Andy Reid has personality and passion for the game, but he's not pumping people up like Gruden and Kyle Shanahan isn't a high energy guy. And while the Harbaugh brothers are demanding and have passion for the game, neither of them have that high energy personality that Gruden has.

So, there is more than one way to be successful as a head coach in the NFL. And the truth is that Gruden hasn't been very successful since his one Super Bowl win with Tony Dungy's team.

Well you make a great distinction. You're showing the difference between Rah Rah and passion. I agree we need a passionate coach. People loved playing for 3G. And Rex Ryan. You need a coach that the players love playing for. Ie “run through a wall” All the guys you mentioned are taken. Who out there besides Gruden (he’s not really an option, just an example) would be available to coach the Saints? Or better yet, which available coach do you believe has the best chance to motivate our current decimated offense? (This question isnt redundant. This year we’re going through the worst case scenario in the amount of adversity. It’s this amount of adversity that should be a measuring stick when choosing a head coach) I want the guy that when I have 8 starters out on O, that the new guys, it doesn’t matter who they are, because they are ALL dying to run through a wall for you. If you have a roster full of these guys, then there’s no adversity that can shake you.

 

[St. Widge]

Well you make a great distinction. You're showing the difference between Rah Rah and passion. I agree we need a passionate coach. People loved playing for 3G. And Rex Ryan. You need a coach that the players love playing for. Ie “run through a wall” All the guys you mentioned are taken. Who out there besides Gruden (he’s not really an option, just an example) would be available to coach the Saints? Or better yet, which available coach do you believe has the best chance to motivate our current decimated offense? (This question isnt redundant. This year we’re going through the worst case scenario in the amount of adversity. It’s this amount of adversity that should be a measuring stick when choosing a head coach) I want the guy that when I have 8 starters out on O, that the new guys, it doesn’t matter who they are, because they are ALL dying to run through a wall for you. If you have a roster full of these guys, then there’s no adversity that can shake you.

I guess Rizzi seems like that kind of guy. But I'm sure there are other guys that are OCs or DCs right now that share that passion. We just don't know about them because we don't hear from them and we don't get to interview them like NFL teams do.

But maybe Kingsbury is that type of guy and I would bet Aaron Glenn is that type of guy. But, it's also possible that Ben Johnson and Slowik are too. I don't really know what kind of passion either has, but I do know that both have developed guys into very good QBs and that their offensive schemes work. And frankly, I would bet that every guy that is a coordinator, assistant coach, or head coach in the NFL has passion for the game. You don't get where they are if you don't. Some guys just aren't good at motivating others, organizing a group of people, or leading them.

 

[BreesusSaves]

I need a Head Coach whose face turns red from screaming about what type of cleats someone is wearing in the Super Bowl.

 

[tak]

Gruden would bring some fire that this team seems to lack.