N/S Pats fans going off on Cooks and Brady (1 Viewer)

[SDotJeezy]

That's a stirring indictment that you're comparing a "#1 receiver" to our 3rd, 4th, and 5th guys.

Fine, we'd rather have him than Ginn as well. He was a great Ying to Thomas's Yang. What doesn't change is that pre-trade WR was a strength of the team, now its a weakness that we'll need to address in the offseason.

 

[Portland]

At the same age Smith couldn't hold Cooks jock and it really isn't close.

Even though he played for a division rival the sheer disrespect from this comment is astounding. Couldn't hold Cooks' jock? Okay. Let's give respect when its due at least. Steve Smith was one of the scrappiest players that would claw his way up a DBs back if he had to to get a reception.

Smith a 3rd round pick wasn't really used as a WR his first year. He was mostly a return specialist and netted nearly 2,000 yards which was 4th in the ENTIRE league behind Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, and Derrick Mason. If anything Cooks wishes he could have that kind of production his first year.

Year 2 - he had Rodney Peete. I'll say again. Rodney Peete as QB and had nearly 900 yards in 15 games. That's pretty dang good considering who is throwing the ball to him.
Year 3 - he got a semi competent QB in Jake Delhomme and had 88 catches for 1,110 YDs and 7 TDs. Went to the playoffs and had 404 receiving yards in the playoffs. At the time is was the 2nd most since Jerry Rice in 1988. Currently he is 4th. Not bad I'd say.
Year 4 - IR
Year 5 - Leads NFL in Receptions, Receiving Yards, and Receiving TDs. 103 receptions, 1,563 yards, and 12 TDs

Then goes on to finish out as a #8 All time in receiving yards. #12 in receptions, tied for #18 in Receiving TDs.

Cooks hasn't made it to year 5 but I guarantee you he will not touch the accolades Smith has in his first 5 years.

 

[Saviorbrees]

LOL.

We tried telling them he's a one trick pony who disappears when things get tough and that he'll never, ever, fight for a ball or shake a defender. It's just who he is. He looked just like the guy we traded away last night, and that's why we traded him.

�� this times 1000. He's a good receiver but will never be great. He needs to catch the ball in stride to make big plays. If you bump him at the line he disappears the whole game. He has no physicality and will almost never fight for the ball. He also could never navigate or set up blocks, for as talented he was he never developed vision with the ball in his hands. He clearly has no progressed as a receiver and is the same player we had before we shipped him over there. He was very frustrating to watch when he played for us at times. Love what we got for him.

 

[DABOOT162]

Fine, we'd rather have him than Ginn as well. He was a great Ying to Thomas's Yang. What doesn't change is that pre-trade WR was a strength of the team, now its a weakness that we'll need to address in the offseason.

Ginn is everything we thought we were getting with Cooks. Give me Ginn over Cooks any day


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[DABOOT162]

Even though he played for a division rival the sheer disrespect from this comment is astounding. Couldn't hold Cooks' jock? Okay. Let's give respect when its due at least. Steve Smith was one of the scrappiest players that would claw his way up a DBs back if he had to to get a reception.

Smith a 3rd round pick wasn't really used as a WR his first year. He was mostly a return specialist and netted nearly 2,000 yards which was 4th in the ENTIRE league behind Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, and Derrick Mason. If anything Cooks wishes he could have that kind of production his first year.

Year 2 - he had Rodney Peete. I'll say again. Rodney Peete as QB and had nearly 900 yards in 15 games. That's pretty dang good considering who is throwing the ball to him.
Year 3 - he got a semi competent QB in Jake Delhomme and had 88 catches for 1,110 YDs and 7 TDs. Went to the playoffs and had 404 receiving yards in the playoffs. At the time is was the 2nd most since Jerry Rice in 1988. Currently he is 4th. Not bad I'd say.
Year 4 - IR
Year 5 - Leads NFL in Receptions, Receiving Yards, and Receiving TDs. 103 receptions, 1,563 yards, and 12 TDs

Then goes on to finish out as a #8 All time in receiving yards. #12 in receptions, tied for #18 in Receiving TDs.

Cooks hasn't made it to year 5 but I guarantee you he will not touch the accolades Smith has in his first 5 years.

Good post...


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[dapperdan]

Even though he played for a division rival the sheer disrespect from this comment is astounding. Couldn't hold Cooks' jock? Okay. Let's give respect when its due at least. Steve Smith was one of the scrappiest players that would claw his way up a DBs back if he had to to get a reception.

Smith a 3rd round pick wasn't really used as a WR his first year. He was mostly a return specialist and netted nearly 2,000 yards which was 4th in the ENTIRE league behind Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, and Derrick Mason. If anything Cooks wishes he could have that kind of production his first year.

Year 2 - he had Rodney Peete. I'll say again. Rodney Peete as QB and had nearly 900 yards in 15 games. That's pretty dang good considering who is throwing the ball to him.
Year 3 - he got a semi competent QB in Jake Delhomme and had 88 catches for 1,110 YDs and 7 TDs. Went to the playoffs and had 404 receiving yards in the playoffs. At the time is was the 2nd most since Jerry Rice in 1988. Currently he is 4th. Not bad I'd say.
Year 4 - IR
Year 5 - Leads NFL in Receptions, Receiving Yards, and Receiving TDs. 103 receptions, 1,563 yards, and 12 TDs

Then goes on to finish out as a #8 All time in receiving yards. #12 in receptions, tied for #18 in Receiving TDs.

Cooks hasn't made it to year 5 but I guarantee you he will not touch the accolades Smith has in his first 5 years.

He hasn't even got to year 5 and yet you guys bag on him or prop up Smith. For four years Smith wasn't even in the same stratosphere as Cooks. THAT IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. Year 5 for Smith was great. I'll take Cooks first 5 years over Smith 1000 out of 1000 times. And Smith was the ultimate diva and punched a teammate who was on his knee. Smith is an absolute thug and bully. THUG.

Why do saints fans always have to bag on players they trade? This whole board kept saying Brees could turn any TE into an all star when Jimmy was traded. That thought has been proven to be codswallop but yet people on here still don't want to give Jimmy any credit.

Brees should be given credit for turning linemen into studs. Unger is solid but is no all pro. Brees makes him look fantastic.

As for the thug Smith you should also point out that his big year against us was when we had Jim Haslett and Hurricane Katrina. Cooks could take year 5 off and he is still the winner statistically.

First 5 years for the Thug 261 catches for 3759 yards and 22 TDS
First 4 years for Cooks (and he isn't finished this year) 269 for 3785 and 25 TDS.

Cooks will be better thru 5 years no matter what he does. Cooks has also been with two QBs who don't lock in on one wr only unlike Jake and Peete. This isn't even close Cooks has been and will be better than the THUG.

 

[dapperdan]

Good post...


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So one year is better than 5? Please never get into anything requiring numbers. Smith is A THUG.

 

[dapperdan]

Ginn is everything we thought we were getting with Cooks. Give me Ginn over Cooks any day


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Do I really need to bust out stats? Everytime I think I see the dumbest post ever I see something that blows it out of the water.

Ginn has 46 for 678 with 3 tds.
Cooks last year had 78 for 1173 with 8tds.

You guys are just flat out haters.

 

[Walter White]

Smith is A THUG.

^^^ This is ignorant.

 

[dapperdan]

^^^ This is ignorant.

Did he or did he not sucker punch a teammate who was on one knee? People bagging on Cooks are what you accuse me of. Once again Smith is a THUG.

 

[Walter White]

Did he or did he not punch a teammate who was on one knee. People bagging on Cooks are what you accuse me of. Once again Smith is a THUG.

I guess Michael Jordan is a thug too (he punched Steve Kerr in the eye), Roger Staubach beat up his teammate too so I guess he's a thug. Have you ever played a sport beyond pee wee or middle school level? Teammates fighting isn't uncommon.

 

[dapperdan]

I guess Michael Jordan is a thug too (he punched Steve Kerr in the eye), Roger Staubach beat up his teammate too so I guess he's a thug. Have you ever played a sport beyond pee wee or middle school level? Teammates fighting isn't uncommon.

I have zero problem with a fight. I have a lot of problem with a sucker punch when the other guy doesn't know it is coming. THUG.

 

[WhoDATManiac225]

Hmmmmmm.....click the post to see.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At some point can we talk about how Brandin Cooks doesn’t fight for the ball, or is that off limits?</p>— Jim Murray (@bigjimmurray) <a href="https://twitter.com/bigjimmurray/status/940435903478226944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's funny because people were being red thumbed for saying this exact same thing WHILE he was still a Saint lol. I absolutely love this trade even more now than I did before seeing how much of a stud Ram is. What a draft

 

[thetownedrunkard]

Cooks is a good receiver. he just isn't a true #1 worth the 22nd pick in the draft. He's not physical enough to beat press coverage off the line.
He's more of a slot receiver and that's probably his future. I hate playing the numbers game,but a true #1 is usually 6'2' 215+ who can fight
through press coverage and high point the ball in a tight window. Cooks is physically limited in that capacity.

Guess you never heard of a guy named Antonio Brown....

And some of you are correct. Cooks is not a number one wr nor will he ever be. He could be a number one with a te on your roster like Graham or Gronk though.

What Cooks is, is an elite #2 wr with deep speed capable of busting a game open at any time. That's his best attribute and it wasn't being utilized here due to Brees arm strength decreasing. I saw it quite a few times last year Cooks had his man beat and Brees underthrew or tried to overcompensate due to lack of arm strength and over threw him. His deep ball accuracy just isn't there like it once was. We couldn't take advantage of his best attribute so it was better to get high value for him now and replace him with a wr that can shake tacklers and get more YAC on short to intermediate routes. Something Cooks didn't do well.

Still woukd have liked to have held on to him for life after Brees. Thomas and Cooks complement each other perfectly. But Ginn had been good enough and Ram has been a stud.

 

[EvilMike]

I'm not going to bad mouth Cooks, he is a Saint who got traded and he was a 1000 yard receiver for us while he was here.