NFL Scouting Combine: Feb 27–Mar 2 (82 Viewers)

[tyler735]

That's not a huge difference and you are comparing Jeanty to a RB that ran a 4.66 forty at the Combine and was not known for his speed.

Ingram ran 4.62 at the combine and 4.53 at his pro day. Jeanty running about a half mph faster than that is a significant difference. For reference, Bijan Robinson has never gone faster than 21.6 MPH in his college or pro career. Robinson ran 4.46 at the combine and has a slower top speed than Jeanty.

Jeanty is a great back,

Agreed Jeanty is a great RB.

but he's not likely to be a home run hitter in the NFL. Which is fine since RBs seldom get to use that speed or hit those home runs no matter how good they are. The exceptions are guys like Saquon and it why although I think Jeanty is very good, I don't think he's in the class of Saquon.

Very doubtful that Jeanty isn’t a “home run” hitter in the NFL. His quickness, contact balance, burst, vision, and top end speed combo is likely to get him into the second level often and allow him chances to gash teams for big gains/touchdowns.

So, sure, he's likely in the range of a Mark Ingram type. Probably better than Ingram but he's not Saquon or Barry Sanders.

He’s obviously not Barry Sanders. Literally no RB in NFL history is. By that logic never draft a player high unless they are as good as Tom Brady, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, etc at their respective position lol. As a prospect he’s right up there with Saquon Barkley. Time will tell if he will be as good as Barkley or not.

And the fact that he's only 5'8" and 203 Lbs. does mean that for him to be successful as the type of runner Ingram was, he is going to have to be an outlier. It think he is that outlier, but it is an issue.

He’s 211lbs…

 

[jboss]

We can agree to disagree. When he runs a 4.5 at his pro day @me.

You will be duely @'ed

 

[TruSaint]

There's absolutely a reason he's not running the 40. He's probably a 4.6 guy (Mark Ingram speed). Which IMO does not matter and RB speed is pretty overrated but he's definitely not what I would consider "fast" for a RB.

The list of pro bowl level RBs under 5'9 with a 4.55-4.6 40 is not that long. I'd imagine it's maybe a few. Which again is fine because he's such an anomaly.

I would be blown away if Jeanty ran a 4.6

I mean he's definitely a 4.55-4.6 guy yes.

His speed is not his strength so it's pretty irrelevant for me. His contact balance, agility, and vision is what makes him a top 10 pick not his speed.

There's 100% a reason he's not participating at the combine. If he could run a 4.4 he would immediately solidify himself as a top 5 lock.

gonna have to respectfully disagree, when I watch Jeanty I see 4.4 speed, maybe high like 4.48-4.49 but still 4.4

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Ingram ran 4.62 at the combine and 4.53 at his pro day.

This is exactly the ball park I would expect Jeanty to run.

 

[TruSaint]

For fun I just asked Grok to estimate Jeanty’s 40 time based on metrics and top speed and it projects 4.42

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I would be blown away if Jeanty ran a 4.6

gonna have to respectfully disagree, when I watch Jeanty I see 4.4 speed, maybe high like 4.48-4.49 but still 4.4

Treyvon Henderson ran a 4.43.

Kaleb Johnson ran a 4.57.

Who do you think is closer to Jeanty?

 

[St. Geezy]

He's not Barry Sanders. Doesn't have that level of quickness and agility. Almost nobody does. And Barry played 27 years ago. Defenders have gotten much bigger while also getting much quicker and faster since then.

I knew someone would take the low hanging fruit here and spin this as if I am saying the guy is Barry.

I am merely pointing out a back that is hailed as the greatest of all time was 5-8.

There have been several short backs that have had success in this league.

If he was 5-9 instead of 5-8, this would barely be getting talked about.

5-8 for a back of his caliber is a non-factor. We aren’t asking him to do anything with his height (catch passes in traffic, see over the OL to complete passes, etc.).

 

[Snakehead]

I mean he's definitely a 4.55-4.6 guy yes.

His speed is not his strength so it's pretty irrelevant for me. His contact balance, agility, and vision is what makes him a top 10 pick not his speed.

There's 100% a reason he's not participating at the combine. If he could run a 4.4 he would immediately solidify himself as a top 5 lock.

He's definitely faster than a 4.55-4.6 guy.

 

[St. Widge]

Ingram ran 4.62 at the combine and 4.53 at his pro day. Jeanty running about a half mph faster than that is a significant difference. For reference, Bijan Robinson has never gone faster than 21.6 MPH in his college or pro career. Robinson ran 4.46 at the combine and has a slower top speed than Jeanty.

Agreed Jeanty is a great RB.

Very doubtful that Jeanty isn’t a “home run” hitter in the NFL. His quickness, contact balance, burst, vision, and top end speed combo is likely to get him into the second level often and allow him chances to gash teams for big gains/touchdowns.

He’s obviously not Barry Sanders. Literally no RB in NFL history is. By that logic never draft a player high unless they are as good as Tom Brady, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, etc at their respective position lol. As a prospect he’s right up there with Saquon Barkley. Time will tell if he will be as good as Barkley or not.

He’s 211lbs…

The NFL shows Igram running a 4.66 at the Combine. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mark-ingram/3200494e-4765-6964-19af-4fbe814368d2

And we will have to agree to disagree on him having home run hitter deep speed. He's probably around a 4.6 guy which is good enough to break some long runs, but he's not going to be a guy that you think is going to break it every time he gets past the LBs. Very few guys are. You compared his MPH in a game to Ingram and the numbers were very close. And since Ingram ran 4.66 I expect that Jeanty's speed in better, but close to that.

Yeah, I misread his weight and edited it. At any rate, 5'8" and 211 Lbs. would still make him an outlier as a between the tackles runner and every down RB.

And I didn't say don't draft Jeanty high. I'm not sure why people feel the need to set up straw men to argue against. I just said he's not Barry Sanders, Saquon, Marshall Faulk, or L.T. If he's the highest ranked prospect at #9 then draft him. I think he'll be a very good back in the NFL, I just don't expect him to be Saquon Barkley, etc.

 

[Snakehead]

Treyvon Henderson ran a 4.43.

Kaleb Johnson ran a 4.57.

Who do you think is closer to Jeanty?

Jeanty will more than likely be faster than Henderson.

4.57 is a good time for Johnson.

 

[Snakehead]

The NFL shows Igram running a 4.66 at the Combine. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mark-ingram/3200494e-4765-6964-19af-4fbe814368d2

And we will have to agree to disagree on him having home run hitter deep speed. He's probably around a 4.6 guy which is good enough to break some long runs, but he's not going to be a guy that you think is going to break it every time he gets past the LBs. Very few guys are. You compared his MPH in a game to Ingram and the numbers were very close. And since Ingram ran 4.66 I expect that Jeanty's speed in better, but close to that.

Yeah, I misread his weight and edited it. At any rate, 5'8" and 211 Lbs. would still make him an outlier as a between the tackles runner and every down RB.

And I didn't say don't draft Jeanty high. I'm not sure why people feel the need to set up straw men to argue against. I just said he's not Barry Sanders, Saquon, Marshall Faulk, or L.T. If he's the highest ranked prospect at #9 then draft him. I think he'll be a very good back in the NFL, I just don't expect him to be Saquon Barkley, etc.

You're right, he's Ashton Jeanty. Before Barry Sanders, Saquon, Faulk, LT, there wasn't a Barry Sanders, Saquon, Faulk or LT. Thanks for stating the obvious there.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

He's definitely faster than a 4.55-4.6 guy.

Keep in mind Mark Ingram went from 4.66 at the combine to a 4.53 at his pro day.

Pro day numbers are never accurate and there's a reason why athletes choose to run them there.

 

[St. Widge]

I knew someone would take the long hanging fruit here and spin this as if I am saying the guy is Barry.

I am merely pointing out a back that is hailed as the greatest of all time was 5-8.

There have been several short backs that have had success in this league.

If he was 5-9 instead of 5-8, this would barely be getting talked about.

5-8 for a back of his caliber is a non-factor. We aren’t asking him to do anything with his height (catch passes in traffic, see over the OL to complete passes, etc.).

Sure, but it does make Jeanty an outlier, especially since Barry also ran like 4.37, and like I said it's more of an outlier now because the size and speed of defenders has improved greatly over the last 25 years.

 

[tyler735]

This is exactly the ball park I would expect Jeanty to run.

That would truly be one of the more shocking things I’ve seen in 25 years of following the NFL draft. I’d say next to no chance he runs anywhere near a 4.6 40. He’s way faster than that.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Jeanty will more than likely be faster than Henderson.

You should watch more Henderson then.

He's got elite speed. A tier above Jeanty no doubt.