Nick Underhill: Saints Might Not Move on from DA (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Saints franchise wants Manning.. it's a storybook dream for this city.

People keep saying Arch to the Saints when he hasn't proven himself on the field yet. Let's see his play on the field before proclaiming him the next Saints Hall of Famer.

 

[jahsoul357]

The difference is a Payton 7-9 involved a top 5 scoring offense being sabotaged by a bottom 5 scoring defense. Payton's calling card, the offense, performed.

Meanwhile DA's defense keeps getting worse.

We were a top 5 scoring offense but if you really go back and look at some of those games during those 7-9 seasons

 

[jahsoul357]

People keep saying Arch to the Saints when he hasn't proven himself on the field yet. Let's see his play on the field before proclaiming him the next Saints Hall of Famer.

I feel the exact same way. If his last name wasn't Manning, he would be looked at as just a random QB. I want to see what he can actually do before hopping on the hype train.

 

[kcirdor]

Apparently...and maybe he will turn into a good NFL QB one day but to just assume he will, given the fact that he may not even be the best QB on his team is just a huge nonsensical leap to me.....

The boy has been to nearly 20 manning camps.. i believe in him.

 

[BreesusSaves]

We were a top 5 scoring offense but if you really go back and look at some of those games during those 7-9 seasons

Yeah but the offense wasn't a perpetual let down. They'd get right.

The Chargers and Broncos offenses are not good. They're perfect for a struggling defense to get right against. Annnnnnnd the Saints defense ensured both of those offenses improved on their season averages. Pain.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I did not see exactly what Underhill posted, but it sounds as though the organization is floating a trial balloon to see how bad the blowback will be if he does come back. If Allen returns, the good news is that it increases the chances of Loomis being pushed into another job before he turns 80.

 

[SweetT]

Apparently...and maybe he will turn into a good NFL QB one day but to just assume he will, given the fact that he may not even be the best QB on his team is just a huge nonsensical leap to me.....

I get that. For me, I just think he has that “it” factor. Those Mannings are just different. Arch has had the absolute best training that money can buy, since he was almost a toddler. His team had an influx of energy when he got his first snap etc.

 

[kcirdor]

The difference is a Payton 7-9 involved a top 5 scoring offense being sabotaged by a bottom 5 scoring defense. Payton's calling card, the offense, performed.

Meanwhile DA's defense keeps getting worse.

That bottom 5 defense was sabatoged by payton. We'd score in 3 plays after the defense just had two back to back 15 play drives for field goals... then we'd score in 3 plays or 3 and out putting them back on the field... then we lose because payton burned all his timeouts on stupid challenges or failure to get the play in one time.... So yin yang.

 

[sfidc3]

The boy has been to nearly 20 manning camps.. i believe in him.

I get that. For me, I just think he has that “it” factor. Those Mannings are just different. Arch has had the absolute best training that money can buy, since he was almost a toddler. His team had an influx of energy when he got his first snap etc.

I'm sorry, above doesn't really provide any evidence that Arch is what folks think he may turn into.....It could happen..... but based on going to Manning camps (of course he would) and an "it" factor when he has played a total of 5 college games and is now benched in favor of another QB?

I'll wait and see how he plays over a season, because at this point no one knows and I find it just silly that folks think they do.....

 

[kcirdor]

Lol the boy is a freshman behind one of the top college QBs in their junior season.. ok... anyway i dont care where he goes in the NFL, but he is going to be a legit QB.

 

[DaveXA]

I'm sorry, above doesn't really provide any evidence that Arch is what folks think he may turn into.....It could happen..... but based on going to Manning camps (of course he would) and an "it" factor when he has played a total of 5 college games and is now benched in favor of another QB?

I'll wait and see how he plays over a season, because at this point no one knows and I find it just silly that folks think they do.....

Indeed. Cart before the horse and all that.

 

[St. Widge]

This. Let's say ML gets rid of DA. Think about what that would mean for ML. ML knows that we are going to be a bad team for at least 2 more years after this season. If he were to get rid of DA, that would mean that ML starts catching all the bullets. By keeping DA around, ML gets to deflect most of the blame. Truth is that ML should be shouldering most of the blame already. DA is a human shield for ML and every year DA stays is a year for Loomis to hide from the truth.

I disagree. Look at this thread. Look at this board. Basically every one of us agrees that DA should be fired. And because it hasn't happened yet, the board has turned on Loomis and is calling for his head. I suspect it's the same in the fan base at large. The easy way to deflect that blame is to hire a new head coach and tear the team apart. That buys Loomis at least 3 more years because it's a new head coach and they are rebuilding. Refusing to fire DA and start new actually puts Loomis more in the cross-hairs of fans than firing DA and tearing the team apart.

GMs have been firing head coaches and hiring new ones since time began to buy themselves a few more years in the job. I think Loomis legitimately thought, and maybe still thinks, DA can turn this around. I think he's tragically wrong and needs to go if he doesn't fire DA at the end of this year. But I don't think he's doing it to deflect the blame. If he is, it's not working at all because fans are now calling for his head.

 

[DaveXA]

Lol the boy is a freshman behind one of the top college QBs in their junior season.. ok... anyway i dont care where he goes in the NFL, but he is going to be a legit QB.

Possibly, but he still has to prove it on the field like everyone else.

 

[Hedon James]

Saints will retain Loomis, Loomis will retain Allen

you're probably right. but I've seen this movie before, several times. I saw it at the end of Mora's tenure. I saw it the entire Ditka tenure. I saw it in Haslett's last season. Some of the Saints lifers can probably add to the list, but I can't speak to that. I came onboard with Mora, Mills, & Vaughn Johnson when the USFL folded and just never left...dunno why....much like "picking a dog at the rescue", I think your team picks you, not the other way around. So I'm not going anwhere. And I have no say. Just flashbacks to the era of the 'Aints, where you hoped for the best and were pleasantly surprised when it actually happened. Considering how long it took for Mora, and then CSP to show up and lift our fortunes, I hope I live long enough for the 3rd dynasty to be discovered. And right now, we're not even looking for it...