No Way Rizzi can be our HC (32 Viewers)

[Cajun Chat]

It would be very, very unusual to hire Rizzi as a HC, for reasons discussed to death on this forum.

The side issue is what to do about Loomis as GM. At the end of the season a head coach must be hired, meaning that Loomis would normally be the guy to orchestrate that process. I have no idea what would happen were Loomis to be fired, or even “promoted.” But I know this: that the hiring process should have already started (with apologies for the Paytonspeak). So, if you want Loomis to be fired or “promoted,” there’s a problem because the Saints would need someone else to get the head coaching search arranged, and in earnest immediately after this season mercifully ends.

Loomis isn't going anywhere. It appears he's got lifetime job security. Moving up to a different front office position would be a difficult conversation that I'm not sure will happen.

 

[Cajun Chat]

Not only that, the Rams are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. They're definitely doing some things right.

with one of the youngest HC's in McVay who's already been there 7 years?

 

[DSnfla]

There is going to be about 8 other teams ALL with better cap situations than us looking for a coach. I worry we will be in the beggars can't be choosers category.

Read my lips; CAP SPACE IS NOT GOD. I truly don't think you know what a HC candidate looks for. 1st and foremost is what kind of owner /FO does the team have? Will get all the support I need to win ? Saints owner/FO = YES. Do they have a QB that I can win with right away? Saints = YES. Are there some young players that I can build with? Saints = Olave, Shaheed, a young up and coming OL, Taylor, Werner,Bresse, Kool-Aid, Adebo,. Do they have a group of vets that can be counted on? Saints =YES, Mathieu, DD, AK , TH

 

[mtq79]

section 101 row 3 120$ each, i think there are 2 more on that row. As cheap as 31 dollars for the upper decks.

Wow... I saw 10th row for $100 but I don't know if I can find anyone to go with me and I don't think I want to go alone.

 

[DSnfla]

That fails more often than not. Most teams that "tank" are trash teams in the first place and have people in place that don't know how to turn an organization around. Was traveling back home, so I caught a replay of the game early this morning and it wasn't the doom and gloom I read. Could we have done some things better, yes? But crapping on Rizzi for this game? I can't. We have 2 1/2 seasons of systemic issues and yall want a guy to fix all of that in 3 games when the foundation is still in place. I think some of us need to be a little more realistic. I think as long as we remain completive in every game and he, himself, finishes the season with a winning record, he shouldn't be disqualified.

Let us look at the facts of the last 2 games:
-We beat Atlanta because Koo forgot that he was playing us and was missing FGs all over the place. We only had one scoring drive in the 2nd half
-We beat Cleveland because Taysom went crazy, they didn't run, and their special teams dropped the ball. We won the 4th

Everybody is talking about time management but I get the intent. Did anybody trust our defense to stop the Rams? My only issue is the play calling once we got to the red zone but that's on Klint, unless Rizzi influenced it. Now if he did, we have some problems...lol


That's on the OC and DC.

I agree , I'm as big a Kubiak fan as there is on here and for the most part he did well with what he had to work with. My biggest gripe was that 3rd and 4 after running the ball like 3-4 times in a row I would have liked to run a PA and a shot at the EZ or at least a dump off to get the 1st.

But yes Woods did a very poor job of adjusting to the run

 

[DaveXA]

with one of the youngest HC's in McVay who's already been there 7 years?

Yep, it's funny there were rumors he'd retire years ago. People get weird about other teams' coaches.

 

[RaginCajun83]

I like Kubiak too, I’m just worried a new coach will want his own coaching staff

 

[DSnfla]

I mean Glenn is a defensive minded, young, and hungry coach who is a leader of men type like Rizzi. So, I don't think he's the opposite of what you want, he's just a defensive coach instead of an offensive coach. I too would prefer a young offensive coach, but if you can't get the right offensive coach, I would go with Glenn over Rizzi since then you know at least one side of the ball is covered. And Glenn is a former player and likely just as much of a leader of men as Rizzi. Maybe even more so since as a former player he understands how things are from both the perspective of the players and coaching staff.

That being said, I would like the Saints to take a long look at Kliff Kingsbury. I like Ben Johnson, but I think he goes to the Bears or the Bengals. Kingsbury has done a great job with Jayden Daniels and I think he got kind of a raw deal after one bad season with an injured QB in Arizona. Before that he was steadily improving a team that started off as terrible. But there are rumors he is going to Chicago.

I think Kingsbury is good OC and very good at working with young QBs but not so much as a HC. He had 3 yrs in AZ with only 1 of them good. And I think Wash is overrated, they have only beaten 1 team with a winning record and it took a hail mary against the idiot HC of the yr to beat the Bears. If we don't go with Rizzi and I'll reserve my final thoughts on him till the season's over, I'm warming up to Liam Coen. He's from the McVay tree. He's done great things with Mayfield even starting in LA. Even better than Canales did. Even without the 2 starting WRs the offense has performed well in TB. Check out what Ross and the TB locked on guy says about him as the 20:00 min mark on his show.

 

[St. Widge]

This. Yes, we need to stop being lazy and actually reorganize. It doesn't mean we will succeed, but it can't be worse than now.

Oh it can be much worse and for many, many years. Look at Cleveland and the Jets to start with. Even Jacksonville.

 

[DSnfla]

I think he did all he could to make it happen with Payton and was pretty successfuloverall, but for the last several years, coaching and personnel decisions have been suspect at best. I haven't completely lost trust in Loomis, but, because of his reluctance to hold Allen accountable I'm growing more skeptical and less confident in his abilities as a GM. I wouldn't call him a bad guy tho.

I really think people give way too much credit/blame on personnel decisions on Loomis, He not a football guy we can't tell if a WR or DT is the player we need to get us to the SB so we have to move up to get him. He goes by what the HC and scouting dept says. If its Payton and he says we need Davenport to get us to the SB , go get him , that's what he'll do. I'm sure they'd have to explain why and how much to pay for the move but he'll defer to them most of the time

 

[St. Widge]

I think Kingsbury is good OC and very good at working with young QBs but not so much as a HC. He had 3 yrs in AZ with only 1 of them good. And I think Wash is overrated, they have only beaten 1 team with a winning record and it took a hail mary against the idiot HC of the yr to beat the Bears. If we don't go with Rizzi and I'll reserve my final thoughts on him till the season's over, I'm warming up to Liam Coen. He's from the McVay tree. He's done great things with Mayfield even starting in LA. Even better than Canales did. Even without the 2 starting WRs the offense has performed well in TB. Check out what Ross and the TB locked on guy says about him as the 20:00 min mark on his show.

I like Kingsbury for what he has done with Daniels and I think he built AZ into a solid team before his QB got hurt. And that was a terrible team that he inherited that he made competitive quickly. And whether Washington is good or not isn't the point. I think he was a young up and coming HC that got a raw deal from a bad franchise.

Anyway, I like Liam Coen too and Loomis apparently likes him too because he tried to hire him as our OC after DA's first year but Coen turned the job down and they decided to keep Pete. And I think I mostly like Coen because he is from the McVay tree of the Shanahan/Kubiak system which I find to be more entertaining, more inventive, and more willing to change than what I have seen from Kubiak.

 

[DSnfla]

I'm not sure I'd say that Loomis isn't at "football guy' after 20 plus years as an NFL GM, but he's certainly not a talent evaluation guy or at least not an expert in talent evaluation.

Anyway, I agree that one of the things they need to find is a HC that is good at evaluating talent and good in the draft because Loomis clearly leans heavily on the HC to make those decisions and evaluate the players they are going to pick in the draft.

Ideally Loomis moves up to an executive VP role and then bring in a new young GM with talent evaluation chops, but i don't think Loomis is yet ready to be put out to pasture. Then again with the way Mrs. B moved on DA, maybe she doesn't care if Mickey is ready or not?

The thing is we'll never know what goes on in the war room on draft day. Who really is making the decisions and who has the input? We hear rumors but none of us or reporters are in there. I always thought it was mostly SP and Ireland in charge of the 1st 2 rnds and who knows after that. Do we blame the Davenport debacle on SP like the rumors say? Or was it Ireland? That's why it's hard to judge ML because he's not a football guy and mostly was doing what the HC and scouting dept said

 

[St. Widge]

The thing is we'll never know what goes on in the war room on draft day. Who really is making the decisions and who has the input? We hear rumors but none of us or reporters are in there. I always thought it was mostly SP and Ireland in charge of the 1st 2 rnds and who knows after that. Do we blame the Davenport debacle on SP like the rumors say? Or was it Ireland? That's why it's hard to judge ML because he's not a football guy and mostly was doing what the HC and scouting dept said

Loomis has said that they make the decisions by consensus of the HC, Ireland, and Loomis. He said that they have almost always disagreed and when that happens he has to make the final call. He also said that Ireland more or less runs the later rounds, I think 3 to 7.

That being said, I think it's clear that Payton basically got whoever he wanted. I mean he made that clear regarding Mahomes and ever other pick that they made that he gushed about. How if worked with DA, I don't really known, but I suspect even DA mostly got who he wanted.

 

[DSnfla]

Loomis has said that they make the decisions by consensus of the HC, Ireland, and Loomis. He said that they have almost always disagreed and when that happens he has to make the final call. He also said that Ireland more or less runs the later rounds, I think 3 to 7.

That being said, I think it's clear that Payton basically got whoever he wanted. I mean he made that clear regarding Mahomes and ever other pick that they made that he gushed about. How if worked with DA, I don't really known, but I suspect even DA mostly got who he wanted.

Yup, that's why I think ML wants a HC with HC experience because he's not a football guy. Or at least a guy that has been an OC or DC for a long time or at multiple places. SP was an OC in NY and Dallas. I don't ML goes for a coordinator that has only been a coordinator for a yr or 2

 

[SuperSaint]

He shouldn't be on the list. He is an interim, and a solid coach. Just not a head coach. New GM is the priority. And the new GM picking his guy.

Think I'm with you, there will be proven guys with better creds after the season, think Rizzi will get an interview though...