No Way Rizzi can be our HC (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

I'd rather stick with Rizzi than hire Glenn. I'd rather hire an up and coming offensive minded, young and hungry coach who is a leader of men type like Rizzi is. I'm not sure who's out there who fits that description, but Glenn would be the opposite of that.

I mean Glenn is a defensive minded, young, and hungry coach who is a leader of men type like Rizzi. So, I don't think he's the opposite of what you want, he's just a defensive coach instead of an offensive coach. I too would prefer a young offensive coach, but if you can't get the right offensive coach, I would go with Glenn over Rizzi since then you know at least one side of the ball is covered. And Glenn is a former player and likely just as much of a leader of men as Rizzi. Maybe even more so since as a former player he understands how things are from both the perspective of the players and coaching staff.

That being said, I would like the Saints to take a long look at Kliff Kingsbury. I like Ben Johnson, but I think he goes to the Bears or the Bengals. Kingsbury has done a great job with Jayden Daniels and I think he got kind of a raw deal after one bad season with an injured QB in Arizona. Before that he was steadily improving a team that started off as terrible. But there are rumors he is going to Chicago.

 

[sfidc3]

I don't think it is fair to judge Rizzi on a single game and TBH the reason we lost this game was the 1st half, the inability to score TD's.....

The offensive line didn't play great, but also didn't give up a sack.....the stats may tell a different story but I thought both the play calling and QB play were the culprits.....

Despite giving up a lot of rushing yards (they actually outrushed us) the D pitched a shutout in the 1st half, we should have been up by at least 2 scores......

Also, hated to see TH go down, unfortunately more evidence that we shouldn't be relying on an aging, albeit still effective when healthy, player as a huge part of the offense....going into 2025......

 

[fishing4food]

Whomever the Saints hire, I don't want a "Yes Man" to Loomis. This salary cap structure Loomis has devised is totally useless for the organization. If I was an up and coming coach, I would think twice before interviewing with Loomis. The juice may not be worth the squeeze.

 

[Covington Saint]

Whomever the Saints hire, I don't want a "Yes Man" to Loomis. This salary cap structure Loomis has devised is totally useless for the organization. If I was an up and coming coach, I would think twice before interviewing with Loomis. The juice may not be worth the squeeze.

Loomis manufactured every possible way for a coach to be successful during a run and now he's a bad guy for it?

 

[DaveXA]

i see zero explanation why Rizzi over Glenn.

Mainly because Rizzi is already interim coach and he's definitely improved things compared to Allen. He's fiery, holds players accountable, sets expectations and even chews the refs out. He seems to be the quintessential leader of men type of coach, and that's much needed right now. I'm not convinced Glenn would bring that to the table. And Glenn is a defensive coach. I'm looking for an offensive minded coach if I'm the GM.

He had the team competing to the last drive in the 4th vs a clearly better Rams team. That's more than I can say than Allen's last 7 games.

 

[DaveXA]

I mean Glenn is a defensive minded, young, and hungry coach who is a leader of men type like Rizzi. So, I don't think he's the opposite of what you want, he's just a defensive coach instead of an offensive coach. I too would prefer a young offensive coach, but if you can't get the right offensive coach, I would go with Glenn over Rizzi since then you know at least one side of the ball is covered. And Glenn is a former player and likely just as much of a leader of men as Rizzi. Maybe even more so since as a former player he understands how things are from both the perspective of the players and coaching staff.

That being said, I would like the Saints to take a long look at Kliff Kingsbury. I like Ben Johnson, but I think he goes to the Bears or the Bengals. Kingsbury has done a great job with Jayden Daniels and I think he got kind of a raw deal after one bad season with an injured QB in Arizona. Before that he was steadily improving a team that started off as terrible. But there are rumors he is going to Chicago.

Understood. I'm just not sold on going with a defensive mind. We tried that and failed miserably with Allen. Maybe not fair to Glenn, but we had success with Payton, and I think someone who is in the mold of the Payton approach is more what I'm looking for.

Fwiw, I'm definitely open to Kingsbury as an option.

 

[DaveXA]

Loomis manufactured every possible way for a coach to be successful during a run and now he's a bad guy for it?

I think he did all he could to make it happen with Payton and was pretty successfuloverall, but for the last several years, coaching and personnel decisions have been suspect at best. I haven't completely lost trust in Loomis, but, because of his reluctance to hold Allen accountable I'm growing more skeptical and less confident in his abilities as a GM. I wouldn't call him a bad guy tho.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Here's the problem with our current organization structure.

Our former head coach (xCSP) also acted as a GM. He left
Our GM by title is not a football guy...he's a finance guy that when left to make football decisions, they're not very good - see Deshaun Watson debacle
Our Last HC (Allen) was not a good HC but left to make GM-lite decisions because to Our current GM, xCSP was able to make them as well. See DC acquisition / Ceedy trade

To fix this we either need:
a HC that has the clout or experience with making GM level decisions
or
promote Loomis out of the gm position amd bring in a GM who actually knows what a winning football team needs.

 

[sfidc3]

He had the team competing to the last drive in the 4th vs a clearly better Rams team. That's more than I can say than Allen's last 7 games.

Yup, my opinion on Rizzi hasn't changed because of this one game, if the team is playing hard at the end of (another) lost season then he deserves consideration.....

 

[St. Widge]

Understood. I'm just not sold on going with a defensive mind. We tried that and failed miserably with Allen. Maybe not fair to Glenn, but we had success with Payton, and I think someone who is in the mold of the Payton approach is more what I'm looking for.

Fwiw, I'm definitely open to Kingsbury as an option.

I wouldn't let Allen failing influence my opinion. Lots of defensive guys have succeeded as head coaches so it's not like it can't work. DA just isn't a head coach.

And some of the offensive guys might not be head coaches too. Ben Johnson looks great on paper but lots of guys that are very good OCs fail when they step up to being a head coach.

Anyway, I would also prefer an offensive coach because I think it's easier to find a good to great DC that will stay as DC than find a great OC that will stay, but if the offensive guys you can get don't look to be as good at the HC job as a defensive guy like Glenn, you should hire the defensive guy instead of settling for an offensive guy you like less than Glenn. To me, Glenn is likely the worst case scenario and I wouldn't have a problem with that hire if that is what happened.

 

[St. Widge]

Yup, my opinion on Rizzi hasn't changed because of this one game, if the team is playing hard at the end of (another) lost season then he deserves consideration.....

I'd give him an interview because I think he has showed he can motivate the team, but IMO he needs to go 6-2 to be a serious candidate for the job. Even then, I think I'd make Johnson, Kinsbury, and Glenn say no before I would go with Rizzi. I like the guy but it's difficult to have to keep and/or hire a new OC and DC every couple years because your HC is neither of those. And if that isn't happening then you likely aren't very good.

 

[sfidc3]

I'd give him an interview because I think he has showed he can motivate the team, but IMO he needs to go 6-2 to be a serious candidate for the job. Even then, I think I'd make Johnson, Kinsbury, and Glenn say no before I would go with Rizzi. I like the guy but it's difficult to have to keep and/or hire a new OC and DC every couple years because your HC is neither of those. And if that isn't happening then you likely aren't very good.

I don't disagree....but there is a lot of talk on this board about how this game somehow disqualifies Rizzi as an option......I don't agree.....I also agree that if there is a better option (Johnson, Kingsbury could be) then fine....but I think he deserves an interview....

 

[St. Widge]

Here's the problem with our current organization structure.

Our former head coach (xCSP) also acted as a GM. He left
Our GM by title is not a football guy...he's a finance guy that when left to make football decisions, they're not very good - see Deshaun Watson debacle
Our Last HC (Allen) was not a good HC but left to make GM-lite decisions because to Our current GM, xCSP was able to make them as well. See DC acquisition / Ceedy trade

To fix this we either need:
a HC that has the clout or experience with making GM level decisions
or
promote Loomis out of the gm position amd bring in a GM who actually knows what a winning football team needs.

I'm not sure I'd say that Loomis isn't at "football guy' after 20 plus years as an NFL GM, but he's certainly not a talent evaluation guy or at least not an expert in talent evaluation.

Anyway, I agree that one of the things they need to find is a HC that is good at evaluating talent and good in the draft because Loomis clearly leans heavily on the HC to make those decisions and evaluate the players they are going to pick in the draft.

Ideally Loomis moves up to an executive VP role and then bring in a new young GM with talent evaluation chops, but i don't think Loomis is yet ready to be put out to pasture. Then again with the way Mrs. B moved on DA, maybe she doesn't care if Mickey is ready or not?

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Here's the problem with our current organization structure.

Our former head coach (xCSP) also acted as a GM. He left
Our GM by title is not a football guy...he's a finance guy that when left to make football decisions, they're not very good - see Deshaun Watson debacle
Our Last HC (Allen) was not a good HC but left to make GM-lite decisions because to Our current GM, xCSP was able to make them as well. See DC acquisition / Ceedy trade

To fix this we either need:
a HC that has the clout or experience with making GM level decisions
or
promote Loomis out of the gm position amd bring in a GM who actually knows what a winning football team needs.

Drew Brees as GM.

I know it may sound like I'm joking, but I would be shocked if Brees couldn't put together a massive dynasty as GM. The guys knows business very well BUT he knows football 100x more.

The way that guy knows football, knows what players are capable of, can read the field. Just imagine the job he'd do in coaching interviews. It would be good coach after good coach. That's not even getting into the draft. Every other draft would be 2017 all over again (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration but its fun).

 

[St. Widge]

I don't disagree....but there is a lot of talk on this board about how this game somehow disqualifies Rizzi as an option......I don't agree.....I also agree that if there is a better option (Johnson, Kingsbury could be) then fine....but I think he deserves an interview....

Yeah, we were always going to lose to the Rams with all our injuries and the talent deficit. I'm honestly surprised that the score turned out that close. And, if they had converted in the redzone in the first half, things might have been different. So, I think Rizzi has earned an interview.

Honestly there is just a part of me that wants a totally new start with a clean slate. And while I like Rizzi, he isn't a fresh start. But if he is the worse case scenario, it's not a bad option and could even turn out to be great.


As a side note, I want to hire whoever does the talent evaluation for the Rams. They just keep hitting in the draft year after year. Nakua, Williams, Verse, Fiske, Speights, etc.