No Way Rizzi can be our HC (2 Viewers)

[44slayer]

Only if it's someone better. Change for the sake of change doesn't work either. Whatever we do, I don't want another Allen style HC. A leader of men like Rizzi, I'd much rather have.

If the team hires a fiery young coach who is hungry to prove himself and holds his staff and players accountable, I'm all for it. I don't want the status quo.

Status Quo is Mickey Loomis. It does not matter who the next HC is.

The accountability part of this is Loomis. We are 1 deep at every position. Some positions, we aren't even 1 deep. We went into the off-season with a smorgasbord of needs, we addressed none of them.

When you do this kick the can stuff, you tie up dead money, you extend old players and you go into every season needing to shed 80+ million.....you end up here. You make dumb trades in the draft, you squander away valuable mid round picks to trade up to completely blow it with several 1st round picks. You end up here.

So where does that leave you? An aging roster. A thin roster.

Which leads you to sign players or draft players with injury histories, because you need to find value because you don't have cap and you don't have picks. And then you cant be too surprised when....they get injured. Every year, we are injury plagued. Its not because we are practicing on a burial ground. Its because we need to find value to replace the capital we don't have. And that 'value' is usually with the injury caveat.

And those mid round draft picks that step in when starters get injured, or develop into starters? They aren't there.

So you have UDFAs and players you sign off the street that no one else wants. You have a tight end room that doesn't exist. You don't have a RB2. Youre WR1 is really a WR2, who isn't durable enough to be a WR1. You have a WR2 that can run a go route and return kicks. Your best receiver? A guy you signed 4 weeks ago. I can go on and on and on.

Point is, Rizzi or Rich Kotite or Vince Lombardi would have trouble dealing with the roster and the limitation of said roster that...... Loomis would give them.

Its Loomis. It doesn't matter who the HC is at this point.

 

[DerrickB]

I'm not out on Rizzi yet, but I would like see him at least win one of these games that the Saints are not supposed to win.

 

[TruSaint]

I think that’s the lazy hire we’ll probably make just because Loomis already has a relationship with him. We need an offensive head coach.

Why do we need an offensive head coach?

 

[DSnfla]

I'm not for Rizzi being the HC as he was consistently part of DA's poor game management decisions - he personally admitted such - and it showed again. The real issue is the offensive coordinator.

Kubiak's ability as an offensive coordinator should really be called into question. Outside of a couple games, the rest of the offense has been rather pedestrian. His end state is to put points on the board and he can't get it done.

I'm ready for the purge and pray that Gayle sends Mickey Loomis packing too. There has to be accountability and Mickey Loomis was the reason the team/ organization is spiraling downward.

You're knocking of Kubiak is simply ridiculous. He's had a patchwork OL with 2 or of the starters and some backup out of the lineup 90% of the games. He's been without 1 or 2 of his starting starting WRs for more than half the games. There was no TH for half the games. AND no starting QB for 4 games. and even when Shaheed and Olave were healthy they were not even a top 20 WR duo. Bill Walsh could not have done better. SMH

 

[Saint Greg]

Why do we need an offensive head coach?

Because getting a good DC is easy. Getting and keeping a good OC is difficult because the good ones get hired away. When we were 2-0 and blowing people out, the media was already pumping Kubiak as a HC. We need another Payton. That way we know the offense will always be good.

Let’s do an exercise. I’ll name off a list of good, proven DCs that are already available to be hired for next year. Dennis Allen, Robert Saleh, Matt Eberflus, Rex Ryan. Now you name off all of the good OCs that are available.

 

[DSnfla]

Why do we need an offensive head coach?

You don't necessarily, but you would then have to have a very good to great OC. And if they are successful a team needing a new HC will posch your OC and you'll have to find another great OC and the cycle continues. If you have a HC that was a great OC , even if he hires a great DC teams are less likely to poach him to be their next HC. Or you can hire a motivator type like a Campbell or a Rizzi and then you'll need 2 great coordinators and both will be in jeopardy of being poached like the Lions will be next season

 

[Day1]

Postgame, Rizzi said that he was not playing for a tie/OT, they would win or lose going for 2. I like the attitude of the coach. When asked about the mood in the locker room, he had a one word answer...pissed! This year's team is crushed by injuries, and still was in position to realistically win 4 of the lost games. This cat will go down swinging every week.

 

[jasonsw]

I think the criticism is unfair. We all knew that whenever we scored a touchdown the Rams were going to go back and get points. Only strategy was to deny them time. If not for one bad play call, or perhaps one Taysom injury that altered the play calls, it would have worked. Strategy the entire game was to shorten it. He stuck to it. Credit to him. Offense just let him down. Feels like the season ended with that Taysom injury, frankly.

Yeah, I'm not going to bag on him. No coach can come here in the middle of this disastrous season and win 2 of thier first 3 games. And the Saints still had achance to.tie very late in the game.

It just didn't work.out. the Rams have much more talent than N.O.

 

[schuetter]

Because getting a good DC is easy. Getting and keeping a good OC is difficult because the good ones get hired away. When we were 2-0 and blowing people out, the media was already pumping Kubiak as a HC. We need another Payton. That way we know the offense will always be good.

Let’s do an exercise. I’ll name off a list of good, proven DCs that are already available to be hired for next year. Dennis Allen, Robert Saleh, Matt Eberflus, Rex Ryan. Now you name off all of the good OCs that are available.

Uhhh... do you not remember all the years of horrid DC's? We quite literally had the worst defense in history.

 

[jasonsw]

You don't necessarily, but you would then have to have a very good to great OC. And if they are successful a team needing a new HC will posch your OC and you'll have to find another great OC and the cycle continues. If you have a HC that was a great OC , even if he hires a great DC teams are less likely to poach him to be their next HC. Or you can hire a motivator type like a Campbell or a Rizzi and then you'll need 2 great coordinators and both will be in jeopardy of being poached like the Lions will be next season

This is very real thing. And i just don't like how defensive minded coaches refuse to trust thier offense. Play not to lose instead of winning. Playing not to lose is a backward and nonsensical philosophy as if you are spotted a lead.

 

[DaveXA]

I want Aaron Glen.

Please...just no.

 

[schuetter]

Man it's wild how quick ya'll are to turn on players and coaches. Last week, Rizzi was the second coming. This week, he's a loser and shouldn't ever be a HC. I'm rewatching the game now and I don't see a coach in over his head. Things happen, mistakes included.

I'm on the get a new head coach team, but to bag on Rizzi after one loss is asinine. We must have a lot of Latinas on this site. Good lord.

 

[schrowa]

Saints weren’t going to win this with their patchwork OL. Saints just don’t have enough playmakers and they lost more of them today. The thing that disappointed me most were the drives without touchdowns and stupid penalties. I don’t think Rizzi is the answer but I also don’t know how you overcome those losses. Saints need more depth. Sadly they feel like a team on the decline even in SP’a final years. I miss him at the helm as he always found ways to win but you need a great OL and a star QB. Both of which he seems to have cultivated in Denver. Sadly we have not done either.

 

[St. Geezy]

I honestly think we have a winner in Rizzi if he had the right circumstances. Fresh season, healthier roster, a few of his own hires.

I still have a great feeling about the guy and hope he can win several more games to make his case and get that more fair shot.

 

[DaveXA]

Status Quo is Mickey Loomis. It does not matter who the next HC is.

The accountability part of this is Loomis. We are 1 deep at every position. Some positions, we aren't even 1 deep. We went into the off-season with a smorgasbord of needs, we addressed none of them.

When you do this kick the can stuff, you tie up dead money, you extend old players and you go into every season needing to shed 80+ million.....you end up here. You make dumb trades in the draft, you squander away valuable mid round picks to trade up to completely blow it with several 1st round picks. You end up here.

So where does that leave you? An aging roster. A thin roster.

Which leads you to sign players or draft players with injury histories, because you need to find value because you don't have cap and you don't have picks. And then you cant be too surprised when....they get injured. Every year, we are injury plagued. Its not because we are practicing on a burial ground. Its because we need to find value to replace the capital we don't have. And that 'value' is usually with the injury caveat.

And those mid round draft picks that step in when starters get injured, or develop into starters? They aren't there.

So you have UDFAs and players you sign off the street that no one else wants. You have a tight end room that doesn't exist. You don't have a RB2. Youre WR1 is really a WR2, who isn't durable enough to be a WR1. You have a WR2 that can run a go route and return kicks. Your best receiver? A guy you signed 4 weeks ago. I can go on and on and on.

Point is, Rizzi or Rich Kotite or Vince Lombardi would have trouble dealing with the roster and the limitation of said roster that...... Loomis would give them.

Its Loomis. It doesn't matter who the HC is at this point.

I mean, I agree Loomis is where the change needs to start, but until that happens, we gotta discuss issues assuming Loomis is still in charge.

Maybe Gayle is biding her time with Loomis. Idk.