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[bearze34]

Just because a person doesn't think that Bush was/is worthy of a #2 pick doesn't mean that they hate him. They just have an opinion, nothing more, nothing less. How many of you so-called Bush supporters were calling for Deuce to carry the load and Bush to be benched last year as Bush went for 3 yards a carry or juked in the hole for no gain? Man, with this set of fans if you don't believe that Deuce was the second coming of Jim Brown or Reggie isn't a future hall of famer you are a heretic.

 

[Randy Jones]

The argument, in its essence, is not over Bush, but over the expectation for a # 2 choice in the first round versus the reality. If he had been taken in the 3rd or 4th round, this infinite argument would not be occuring.

Keep in mind, this will be his 4th year in the pros. It is really all about production now isn't it, regardless of any other points to be made on either side. Ask yourself the question, dispassionately. Has he produced like a # 2 pick of the first round?

 

[saints2k8]

Ask yourself the question, dispassionately. Has he produced like a # 2 pick of the first round?

I would need to see the history of RBs/WRs taken #2 overall

 

[Loose Cannon]

Better than ever...

 

[The Moose]

Yet after a win the biggest and most numerous threads were about Reggie Bush's struggles.

Cuz he does struggle! All the time for millions and millions! Bell can hit a hole PT can hit a hole but the most explosive guy can't find one! Can't hold on to the ball. The only real play was when he was in single coverage with a LB!







The Moose

 

[Daddy_Duke]

I don't care. Reggie needs to catch up with the rest of the offense. I support him 100%, but it's true.

 

[WxM]

This thread violates the terms of service. Why is it still here?

 

[Speedy Ronzales]

I hate people that make excuses for Bush no matter what he does. If he runs a punt back for a touchdown, I'm happy. If he runs for four or five yards, I'm happy.

If he fumbles a punt, or dances around and gets stuffed, I'm not.

You know why? Because I'm a SAINTS fan. Not a BUSH fan.

That is the difference. Some of you are Bush fans over the rest of the team. I don't give a damn about his stats. I want the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS to win.

So if you want to try and jump me in the stands because I'm mad when he screws up after three seasons in the NFL then bring it on. I've probably been a Saints fan longer than most of you Bush fanatics have been alive.

The team matters, not individual players.

exactly...some people hold him above everyone else on the team and that makes me hate him. i would cheer for my anyone when they were doing good including reggie. its just that i dont get to cheer him on as much as you think you would a 2nd overall pick. i know deep down inside the bush blowers agree

 

[DomeDude]

sigh ...... this AGAIN ?!?!?!?!?!?!
this is as bad as the Jake vs Brooks era.

 

[mrbeebe228]

do us all a favor and s$ut you dawg garn pessimistic pie holes! You are the same people who will cheer bush on when he's blazing 6 td's in 8 games..........you are the same people who chant reggie....reggie when bush is back to return a punt after he had just taken two to to the house for td's and nearly broke a 3rd. You are the same people who cheered for bush last year when he was on pace to have his breakout year.

But, then he goes down with a knee injury.....similar to knee injurues that colston, meachem, and most recently p.thomas.......and you go to your cot d. Pessimistic, glass half-full *** mentality. Yeah lets trade bush after game 1 to the bengals for some crap shoot draft picks. Good idea, while we're at it, i'd love to trade all of you bandwagon.......negative $ss fans to the bungals also and ya'll can cheer on ocho cinco!!

Am i alone or are there others who are so sick of these fairweather goones who love to hate on reggie bush and that fine woman of his reggie is a true professional who believes in himself as a winner and is dedicated 200% to be successful in this league. He's been a winner and a superstar his whole life and will have his time to shine very soon ! Let's show this kid some love!!

amen brotha!!

 

[The Moose]

sigh ...... this AGAIN ?!?!?!?!?!?!
this is as bad as the Jake vs Brooks era.

No way! That was real bad.




The Moose

 

[DomeDude]

No way! That was real bad.




The Moose

You may be right. But it is at least as bad as the Louisiana vs Mississippi era ?

 

[St4ever]

I hate people that make excuses for Bush no matter what he does. If he runs a punt back for a touchdown, I'm happy. If he runs for four or five yards, I'm happy.

If he fumbles a punt, or dances around and gets stuffed, I'm not.

You know why? Because I'm a SAINTS fan. Not a BUSH fan.

That is the difference. Some of you are Bush fans over the rest of the team. I don't give a damn about his stats. I want the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS to win.

So if you want to try and jump me in the stands because I'm mad when he screws up after three seasons in the NFL then bring it on. I've probably been a Saints fan longer than most of you Bush fanatics have been alive.

The team matters, not individual players.

lus-un2:lus-un2:lus-un2:

Post on the post of the week!!!!

This is the truth.

Fair weather fans?????

Just because we decide to Boo someone that fumbles the ball twice!!

I cannot express myself and frustration over a bad player?

Get over yourself OP!

I have been a true fan my whole life and it has nothing to do with weather or not I decide to boo reggies stupidness!

I want to see him succeed in the worst way but when he runs more backward and sideways then forward I also want to see someone else with the ball.

I may never have mentioned trading him to the Bengals but I have posted about possibly trading him, but that is because the way our offense is built we really do not have to have him. He is more of a fringe benefit then and important cog at this time and did I mention his 12,000,000 price tag this season! at his average 12 games a year playing time I cannot believe he is worth 1,000,000 per game, or at least he wasn't worth it against the lowly LIONS this last week.

 

[Bongzilla]

The people who bash bush do nothing more than look at a YPC average. Oh its only 3.8, this guy did 4.0 so he is obviously better..

You guys have absolutely no clue the VALUE that Reggie Bush brings to this offense. He should not be measured by Stats, at least not be anyone who claims to know anything about football.

Ask any coach or player in the league if they would rather have a 4.0 ypc running back, or reggie bush.

 

[NPs6724]

The argument, in its essence, is not over Bush, but over the expectation for a # 2 choice in the first round versus the reality. If he had been taken in the 3rd or 4th round, this infinite argument would not be occuring.

Keep in mind, this will be his 4th year in the pros. It is really all about production now isn't it, regardless of any other points to be made on either side. Ask yourself the question, dispassionately. Has he produced like a # 2 pick of the first round?

Let's go back to 1989 and move forward.

1989 #2 overall pick - Tony Mandarich, LT - Mega-bust
1990 - Blair Thomas, RB - Bust
1991 - Eric Turner, DB - 30 INTs, 3 TDs, 2 Pro Bowls, 1 All-Pro
1992 - Quentin Coryatt, LB - Bust
1993 - Rick Mirer, QB - Bust
1994 - Marshall Faulk, RB
1995 - Tony Boselli, LT - 5 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pros
1996 - Kevin Hardy, LB - 562 tackles, 36 sacks, 5 INTs, 9 FF, 7 FR, 1 Pro Bowl, 1 All-Pro
1997 - Darrell Russell, DT - Bust
1998 - Ryan Leaf, QB - Mega-bust
1999 - Donovan McNabb, QB
2000 - LaVar Arrington, LB - 335 tackles, 23.5 sacks, 3 INTs, 6 FF, 7 FR, 3 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pros
2001 - Leonard Davis, LT - moved to RG, 2 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pros
2002 - Julius Peppers, DE
2003 - Charles Rogers, WR - Bust
2004 - Robert Gallery, LT - moved to LG, 0 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pros
2005 - Ronnie Brown, RB - 3,476 rushing yards, 4.4 YPC, 23 TDs, 1,161 receiving yards, 8.3 YPC, 2 TDs, 1 Pro Bowl, 0 All-Pros
2006 - Reggie Bush, RB - 1,564 rushing yards, 3.7 YPC, 12 TDs, 1,654 receiving yards, 7.6 YPC, 10 TDs, 509 PR yards, 9.4 YPR, 4 PR TDs, 0 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pros
2007 - Calvin Johnson, WR - 2,177 receiving yards, 16.9 YPC, 16 TDs
2008 - Chris Long, DE - 4 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR, 0 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pros
2009 - Jason Smith, LT - undetermined

Busts - 7 (Mandarich, Thomas, Coryatt, Mirer, Russell, Leaf, Rogers)
Busts at their original position - 2 (Davis, Gallery)
(Potential) HOFers - 4 (Boselli, Faulk, McNabb, Peppers)
Good players - 5 (Turner, Hardy, Arrington, Brown, Johnson)
Disregarded due to lack of experience - 2 (Long, Smith)

The breakdown is 9 good-to-great players and 9 busts or busts at their drafted position. Look at the list of names and what they contributed and figure out for yourself where Bush belongs. It should be obvious but I'm sure some will come to the same conclusion they already had.

But what about RBs? Blair Thomas and Ronnie Brown are the only other RBs in the last 21 years taken #2 overall.

Bush - 39 games, 1,564 rushing yards, 3.7 YPC, 12 TDs, 1,654 receiving yards, 7.6 YPC, 8 TDs, 509 PR yards, 9.4 YPR, 4 PR TDs, 15 fumbles, 24 total TDs
Thomas - 64 games, 2,236 rushing yards, 4.2 YPC, 7 TDs, 513 receiving yards, 7.2 YPC, 2 TDs, 8 fumbles, 1 passing TD, 10 total TDs
Brown - 52 games, 3,476 rushing yards, 4.4 YPC, 23 TDs, 1,161 receiving yards, 8.3 YPC, 2 TDs, 9 fumbles, 1 passing TD, 26 total TDs

Bush has already doubled Thomas' number of TDs in 2 fewer years and while he isn't as good a rusher as Thomas or Brown, he is the better receiver and the only returner among them. I'd say Bush is much closer to Brown than Thomas.