Odds of Rizzi Getting Permanent Job and, If So, What Type of Contract (12 Viewers)

[SirLoinSaint64]

Zero. He's not an NFL Head Coach. I like the guy. Most are not worthy. The Saints need a difference maker. Not a hand shaker.

 

[texasjefe]

But, yes, Loomis is capable of doing dumb things. But, he's also capable of doing smart things like hiring Payton and signing Brees. Hopefully he doesn't do the dumb thing here.

Those smart things were nearly a generation ago.

Been a fun ride lately with Chuck Noll clone as HC, affordable Drew Brees clone at QB, a clean cap and money to sign starters entering their 2nd contracts, those 9-10 draft picks every year, and those big wins over good teams. With his next roll of the dice, he's a lock for GM of the Year and Comeback GM of the Year, and dare I say... Canton, OH.

 

[Infoman]

Odds are zero at this point. If he had us playing for something going into the last game it would have been 50/50. As of now we are playing to see who has to go when the season ends, and who gets to stay… And what we have to draft.

If we keep tonight’s game close that’s a morale victory no one will care about…. I expect we will beat the Raiders and lose the 2 other games. But even the LV game is no guarantee as we learned with the NYG game.

It’s time for a complete overhaul in the FO and Coaching staff. Rizz is unfortunately part of that.

Zero

 

[Hubig]

I think you make a serious run at Ben Johnson, if you fail, you fail. If Rattler shows anything these last 3 games that says he's potentially more than a career backup, then you have something to point to. You're spending the next 3 offseasons upgrading the trenches anyway and you have to bring Carr back for 1 more year. If Rattler doesn't turn out to be anything but just another backup, then the next headcoach gets to handpick his guy, whether or not its in free agency or draft pick.

The NFC north is the best division in football. The NFC south is the worst division in football, a new headcoach will have a much easier and quicker path to compete in the NFC south than NFC north.

 

[St. Widge]

Those smart things were nearly a generation ago.

Been a fun ride lately with Chuck Noll clone as HC, affordable Drew Brees clone at QB, a clean cap and money to sign starters entering their 2nd contracts, those 9-10 draft picks every year, and those big wins over good teams. With his next roll of the dice, he's a lock for GM of the Year and Comeback GM of the Year, and dare I say... Canton, OH.

I mean, yes, it was a long time ago, but those decisions were so good that he didn't have to really make another decision on a HC or QB for like 15 years. No doubt he's done some bad to questionable things the last few years, but that doesn't mean that he's incapable of getting this hire right.

If I had the choice, I'd move on from Loomis and hire someone younger with better talent evaluation credentials. But, it's not my choice and I'm not sure that I trust who the new GM would be since he would likely be someone from a list given the Gayle from the NFL and good old Roger. And if not someone on a list from Roger, the the mostly likely person to get the job is Khai Harley and I doubt that would end up being much of a change from the way Loomis does things.

And I have no idea what your Chuck Noll rant is about.

 

[St. Widge]

Odds are zero at this point. If he had us playing for something going into the last game it would have been 50/50. As of now we are playing to see who has to go when the season ends, and who gets to stay… And what we have to draft.

If we keep tonight’s game close that’s a morale victory no one will care about…. I expect we will beat the Raiders and lose the 2 other games. But even the LV game is no guarantee as we learned with the NYG game.

It’s time for a complete overhaul in the FO and Coaching staff. Rizz is unfortunately part of that.

Zero

I wish the odds were zero, but I doubt that they are. Underhill certainly seems to be talking like Rizzi is a strong contender for the job. Maybe Nick is just speculating, but his speculation often times seems to be based on information he has.

 

[texasjefe]

And I have no idea what your Chuck Noll rant is about.

Mickey Loomis compares Dennis Allen to Noll, Walsh, Belichick. Who does he really compare to?

Where does Saints head coach stack up to all others historically who have coached as many games as he has? Spoiler alert: Keep scrolling.

www.nola.com

Ball is in Mickey's Royal Court. Hope he gets it right. I aint getting any younger.

 

[St. Widge]

Mickey Loomis compares Dennis Allen to Noll, Walsh, Belichick. Who does he really compare to?

Where does Saints head coach stack up to all others historically who have coached as many games as he has? Spoiler alert: Keep scrolling.

www.nola.com

Ball is in Mickey's Royal Court. Hope he gets it right. I aint getting any younger.

Thanks. Forgot about that. Certainly a dumb thing to say and I doubt even Mickey believed it. But, like I said, he's done plenty dumb things recently, including hiring DA and then keeping him 1 1/2 years longer than he should have. Let's hope he gets this one right.

 

[srcampbell]

Rizzi needs to beat a team he has no business beating. The Commanders would’ve sufficed but they couldn’t quite pull it off. If they beat the Packers I think the job is in the bag.

 

[RJS]

I think Rizzi is unfairly lumped into peoples frustration with Mickey and DA. He was a serious candidate in 2022 and I have to wonder if some of the decision makers regret not hiring him then.

For all we know, Rizzi wanted to make changes that were more extreme than people were comfortable with. He deserves consideration in his own right and not to be thought of as a continuation of the past.

 

[Cajun Chat]

Two (or actually three) questions that should stimulate some discussion:

First, what are the odds of Rizzi being named the team's permanent head coach? Second, if the Saints have an interest, what type of contract should they offer Rizzi, and what type of contract would he accept?

Preface the discussion by saying that Loomis is going nowhere, unless he decides to step into another role in the Benson organization. Were I the owner, we would have a new general manager. He is 68, is far too secure in his job, and has made terrible decisions since Payton's departure. But in this organization, he is going nowhere.

Given my assumption, Loomis has to decide on what strategic direction the team wishes to go in. Does he believe that, absent injuries, we are a playoff-contending team and will generally maintain the status quo with a nod to getting younger? Or do we truly rebuild? My belief is that we will pursue the former approach. If so, Rizzi will be seriously considered for the permanent job. But given the many variables, I will say Rizzo's chances of getting the permanent job are in the 25 to 30 percent range. And of course, a factor will be how many of the highly sought-after head-coach candidates are interested in the Saints job.

Next, if the Saints are interested in Rizzo, what type of contract should they offer him? I do not have the numbers, but I have seen too many times where the interim coach has won games after he was named head coach, the players endorse him, he gets named permanent head coach, and thereafter he does poorly. If the Saints want to see more of Rizzi, they may offer something like a two-year contract, providing financial security to Rizzi but allowing the Saints to go in a different direction after 2025 if he gets the job and the team disappoints.

Would he accept it? It is likely his one shot at being head coach next year. I do not see the other teams that will be looking for a head coach seriously considering Rizzi because of his age and a likely lackluster response to his getting the job. If the Saints are his only option, he should say yes.

1. 50/50 - never know what direction the organization is going. DA probably deserved a shot. Rizz brings energy and fire but doesn't have the long ties to the organization that is so coveted here.

2. If they decided to give him the opportunity, it shouldn't be more than 3 years (the standard is generally 4-5 years) with significant buyouts. 3 years 12 M with low buyouts. year 1 - 3 M, year 2 - 4 M, year 3 - 5M with team friendly buyouts every year. It's effectively a prove it deal from the first year.

3 - Yes. I think he jumps at the chance to be a HC.

 

[Chopper Man]

They are going to need to win out for him to have a realistic shot. Too many proven coaching candidates out there.

 

[DSnfla]

Interesting. Mark Brunell was named also and has the same NFL credentials (4 year position coach). Why single out Randle El as not qualified?

Most new OCs are that way. How else would one gain the experience unless they get a first opportunity?

Brunell is the QBs coach that and the passing game coordinator position is like the Ast OC on almost every team. Randle El is the WRs coach. Almost all of the time you look to the QBs coach or passing game coordinator to make the jump to OC. The only reason the Lions made Johnson the OC over Brunell was because Johnson had a lot more experience over Brunell on the offensive side of the ball

Yeah , that's why I tend to prefer a guy that has been an OC before. It's why I wanted KK over Robinson or some of the other candidates that had not been play callers. Not to say that 1st time play-callers can't do it I'd rather not have my OC do a yr or so of on the job training

 

[DSnfla]

If you want Luke Getsy and Shane Waldron who have both been fired twice in the last year, they’re available for you. There are no GOOD, experienced OCs out there waiting to be hired. The DCs are always out there. Saleh, Eberfleus. DA. At least three teams are going to get good DCs this offseason. For a good OC, you have to take a risk on an unknown.

You are missing the point. the point is we interviewed guys that had been OCs before. And Waldron was not fired from Sea. he was just not retained by McDonald the new HC. Almost all incoming HCs pick their own guys. Just like Kubiak was not fired in Den when Payton took over. And I think Waldron was a scapegoat to try and save Ebeflus's job that didn't work. It looks like the Bears offense got worse after Waldron left

 

[DSnfla]

I don't like it but here is my gut feeling.

There were "Rumors", as in people on this site claiming that Loomis was on a head trip to prove he can win a championship without Sean Payton, as if his philosophy was that head coach doesn't really matter.

The only thing that gives any credit to that "rumor" (again, someone on SR posted that a couple months ago), is that Loomis selected DA to be head coach which makes zero sense. Anyone who watched the Raiders knew the disaster that was coming.

Loomis also said he wanted to stay "in house". There's also suspicion that he was being lazy in his Dennis Allen selection.

If either one of these are true and/or that's where his philosophy still lies, then I'm going to say there's a near 100% chance he stays with Rizzi.

I'll go out on a limb and say this as well. My suspicion with Rizzi as head coach is that the floor is limitless while the ceiling is a playoff berth, never seeing an NFC championship.

If you can find just where ML said he wanted to keep the hiring " In House" I'd like to see it. Everything I've read or heard was that SP recommended DA for the job.