Odds of Rizzi Getting Permanent Job and, If So, What Type of Contract (32 Viewers)

[3ParStillDriver]

I don't like it but here is my gut feeling.

There were "Rumors", as in people on this site claiming that Loomis was on a head trip to prove he can win a championship without Sean Payton, as if his philosophy was that head coach doesn't really matter.

The only thing that gives any credit to that "rumor" (again, someone on SR posted that a couple months ago), is that Loomis selected DA to be head coach which makes zero sense. Anyone who watched the Raiders knew the disaster that was coming.

Loomis also said he wanted to stay "in house". There's also suspicion that he was being lazy in his Dennis Allen selection.

If either one of these are true and/or that's where his philosophy still lies, then I'm going to say there's a near 100% chance he stays with Rizzi.

I'll go out on a limb and say this as well. My suspicion with Rizzi as head coach is that the floor is limitless while the ceiling is a playoff berth, never seeing an NFC championship.

 

[Saint Greg]

Get an offensive minded HC, keep Rizzi in his special teams role. I think he feels more comfortable there.

Rizzi isn’t going to stay if he doesn’t get the HC job. I don’t think he would want to do it. And I’m sure the new HC isn’t going to want the last HC in the building.

 

[texasjefe]

Has there been any report that Rizzi wants the job? He was a HC at two short small colleges, and he interviewed for the Dolphins job in 2018 after 8 years there but Flores was hired, and he did not retain Rizzi. Payton hired him in 2019.

VERDICT: UNKNOWN

No one knows what Gayle may have committed to Rizz when she promoted him. Such as, you're guaranteed a spot on the staff if they hire new.

VERDICT: UNKNOWN AND HYPOTHETICAL

The way this works is Loomis should have a short list already. If he has a top guy, and a backchannel, the hiring could happen quickly. The outreach and interview period starts the Wednesday after the season ends. However, Loomis' short list will surely have asst coaches in the playoffs, so the timing may get delayed.

Like others, I see Rizz as a fallback if Loomis can't get his guy, or, the organization chooses to ride 1 more year with Rizz to move the deadcap hell and the Carr contract clock forward, and get in another draft class and soft free agents. This would mean Kubiak is retained, which I'm for. But the conventional wisdom is that a new coach is hired, and Rizz and Kooooobs are gone.

VERDICT: UNKNOWNS ARE UNKNOWN

 

[St. Widge]

Has there been any report that Rizzi wants the job? He was a HC at two short small colleges, and he interviewed for the Dolphins job in 2018 after 8 years there but Flores was hired, and he did not retain Rizzi. Payton hired him in 2019.

VERDICT: UNKNOWN

No one knows what Gayle may have committed to Rizz when she promoted him. Such as, you're guaranteed a spot on the staff if they hire new.

VERDICT: UNKNOWN AND HYPOTHETICAL

The way this works is Loomis should have a short list already. If he has a top guy, and a backchannel, the hiring could happen quickly. The outreach and interview period starts the Wednesday after the season ends. However, Loomis' short list will surely have asst coaches in the playoffs, so the timing may get delayed.

Like others, I see Rizz as a fallback if Loomis can't get his guy, or, the organization chooses to ride 1 more year with Rizz to move the deadcap hell and the Carr contract clock forward, and get in another draft class and soft free agents. This would mean Kubiak is retained, which I'm for. But the conventional wisdom is that a new coach is hired, and Rizz and Kooooobs are gone.

VERDICT: UNKNOWNS ARE UNKNOWN

There are multiple reports that Rizzi wants the job. In fact, he pretty much so said he wants the job and was campaigning for it in his last press conference. What special teams coach would not want a head coach job?

And it would be dumb to hire a head coach thinking that you are only keeping him for one year.

 

[texasjefe]

He pretty much so said he wants the job in his last press conference and what special teams coach would not want a head coach job?

And it would be dumb to hire a head coach thinking that you are only keeping him for one year.

Rizz is 54 so, sure. And if I'm Rizzi, I'm setting up interviews in other markets to leverage if the Saints are waiting on their guy.

As for dumb, Mickey huffed the hype and fumes spilling out of his ego with the Allen hire, so everything with a slick oil salesman is UNKNOWN.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

There could be about 8 total coaching vacancies at the end of the NFL season, and could be more.
Cowboys, Browns, Jets, Jags, Raiders, Giants, Bears, and the Saints. We're 78 million over budget next year and over 40 Million in dead money. What makes the Saints an attractive franchise? Hopefully, Rizzi is not the best candidate to Interview.

There are 32 HC jobs in the NFL. That in itself makes it attractive.

 

[St. Widge]

Rizz is 54 so, sure. And if I'm Rizzi, I'm setting up interviews in other markets to leverage if the Saints are waiting on their guy.

As for dumb, Mickey huffed the hype and fumes spilling out of his ego with the Allen hire, so everything with a slick oil salesman is UNKNOWN.

I'd guess Rizzi is going to get other interviews if he does not get the saints job and he should be making those plans. He got an interview last year and his resume is better this year.

But, outside of him beating the Packers and then winning the next 2, I don't see him getting the job with another team. And I think that should tell us something about if it's a good idea to hire him. I think his floor is pretty solid as an average HC, but I don't think he has the ceiling to become a great head coach because he's not an expert on either side of the ball. No matter how good he is, his success will be fully dependent on how good his front office is at brining in talent and how good his OC and DC are. That's a lot of hits you have the make for him to have a good year and I think it will stop other teams from hiring him. If he gets the job here, it will be because the players lobbied Gayle and Loomis for him to get the job.

I don't think the Allen hire had anything to do with Loomis' ego. He hired Allen because Payton told him to hire Allen and he thought Allen could continue what Payton built. It was a horrible and dumb decision but it was motivated by trusting Payton, not by ego. I'm not sure how that would be a decision driven by ego anyway.

But, yes, Loomis is capable of doing dumb things. But, he's also capable of doing smart things like hiring Payton and signing Brees. Hopefully he doesn't do the dumb thing here.

 

[44slayer]

I'd guess Rizzi is going to get other interviews if he does not get the saints job and he should be making those plans. He got an interview last year and his resume is better this year.

I guess its not out of the realm of possibility simply because of the sheer number of jobs that look like will be available after black monday, but I cant see him getting interviews with anyone else as a HC. Allen didnt get interviews with anyone else. Rizzi was a ST guy until 5 weeks ago. If Allen were the coach, he likely would have won and lost the same games (Allen did well late season after digging giant holes - he closed out 2022 3-1 and 2023 4-1). Rizzi hasnt won any games that stand out. A GB win tonight changes that a bit. But I dont see Rizzi as a commodity at this point. He is just playing a role.

I also think if Loomis is the GM, he cant do lazy again. Rizzi would be a lazy, in house, keep doing what youre doing type hire.

It would be telling if we hire 2 HCs in a row that dont get interviews with anyone else.

 

[AARPSaint]

Frankly, there’s very little chance of a win tonight unless something really, really, really strange happens. A loss tonight tells me nothing about Rizzi. I suspect that many of us are conflicted about Rizzi. We like the passion and the superior quality of his special teams coaching. But he does represent the ancien regime. And he’s totally inexperienced at the pro level or even at a top level college program as an offensive or defensive coordinator.

It’s a perplexing situation because we hope that the new coach would retain Rizzi as Special Teams Coordinator—but I don’t think an external hire would accept that kind of condition. And would Rizzi accept what would be in effect a demotion?

I’m inclined toward the “new blood” view. The “continuity” idea proved to be a disaster. It would be ideal if the single high quality segment of the team—special teams— could be retained.

 

[St. Widge]

I guess its not out of the realm of possibility simply because of the sheer number of jobs that look like will be available after black monday, but I cant see him getting interviews with anyone else as a HC. Allen didnt get interviews with anyone else. Rizzi was a ST guy until 5 weeks ago. If Allen were the coach, he likely would have won and lost the same games (Allen did well late season after digging giant holes - he closed out 2022 3-1 and 2023 4-1). Rizzi hasnt won any games that stand out. A GB win tonight changes that a bit. But I dont see Rizzi as a commodity at this point. He is just playing a role.

I also think if Loomis is the GM, he cant do lazy again. Rizzi would be a lazy, in house, keep doing what youre doing type hire.

It would be telling if we hire 2 HCs in a row that dont get interviews with anyone else.

Rizzi has gotten HC interviews before (1 of them was the Saints when they hired DA) and he's often mentioned as a candidate. And yes, there are likely 8 jobs open so likely 40 or so interviews to go around. He's likely in someone's list of interviews given the large number of interviews to be given.

So, I think if he can win 1 or two more games, especially if one is GB, he might get an interview or two. But, I doubt he will be a serious contender. Then again, the Jets have done some dumb things over the years. I do think any interview he gets would likely be a due diligence interview but he could get them.

And I think it would be a bad idea to hire Rizzi here. I don't care if it's a lazy hire or not, but I do think that this team needs change. And, if it's not going to be at GM or head of pro scouting, then it needs to happen with the coaching staff. I think they have gotten complacent and need new blood to shake things up. I don't think Rizzi is that guy. He's been here too long to really look at things with fresh eyes or to make entrenched starters and role players feel their jobs are in jeopardy.

 

[44slayer]

I don't care if it's a lazy hire or not, but I do think that this team needs change.

No doubt, this is the most important thing. Change. Id love for it to be across the board starting with replacing Loomis - but Loomis is a federal judge at this point, its a lifetime appointment. We likely arent getting a new GM.

But I think Loomis needs to approach this offseason the exact same way he did in 2006. Overhaul and a new era.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

No doubt, this is the most important thing. Change. Id love for it to be across the board starting with replacing Loomis - but Loomis is a federal judge at this point, its a lifetime appointment. We likely arent getting a new GM.

But I think Loomis needs to approach this offseason the exact same way he did in 2006. Overhaul and a new era.

I just don't see where Loomis is this huge problem. He's had the opportunity to hire 2 coaches. 1 was elite, one was terrible. That's a .500 average why does he absolutely need to go?

 

[44slayer]

I just don't see where Loomis is this huge problem. He's had the opportunity to hire 2 coaches. 1 was elite, one was terrible. That's a .500 average why does he absolutely need to go?

He isnt going to go, so theres that. But look at the roster. The cap. The coaching situation. The lack of total draft picks the last 5 years, especially middle round picks. Every team has injuries, but we lose 1 guy, the next man up is a UDFA or a guy we signed because we got a bargain on because of...injuries. We have holes all over the field, and virtually no depth.

Im not going to argue that it was a pretty amazing 15 year run. But its been a multi year process that got us where we are from a personnel standpoint. We are depleted. Time comes for everyone in sports. Sometimes things just get stale and change is needed.

I think the franchise needs to start fresh without a link to the era that was. But Loomis is entrenched, so it is what it is.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

He isnt going to go, so theres that. But look at the roster. The cap. The coaching situation. The lack of total draft picks the last 5 years, especially middle round picks. Every team has injuries, but we lose 1 guy, the next man up is a UDFA or a guy we signed because we got a bargain on because of...injuries. We have holes all over the field, and virtually no depth.

Im not going to argue that it was a pretty amazing 15 year run. But its been a multi year process that got us where we are from a personnel standpoint. We are depleted. Time comes for everyone in sports. Sometimes things just get stale and change is needed.

I think the franchise needs to start fresh without a link to the era that was. But Loomis is entrenched, so it is what it is.

Fair enough

 

[RaginCajun83]

I’d say 25% with a contract comparable to other first time coaches signing their first deal