Speculation Pat Kirwan thinks Aaron Glenn will be next Saints head coach (2 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

AG was announced on Jan 28th 2021, less than 2 wks before DA was formalized. The HC decision was probably made before AG was hired by the Lions. ALSO, AG was just a DB's position coach it's RARE that a position coach makes the jump to HC without being a coordinator. We had the chance to hire AG as HC but did not want to

 

[St. Geezy]

We need an offensive coach. Much easier to win with a good offense and mediocre defense vs a mediocre offense and a good defense.

Agree. I also like the dynamic of never having to worry about your offensive coordinator leaving. Offensive continuity would be guaranteed as long as your HC is employed, and offense is everything in today’s game.

With a defensive HC or Leader of Men HC, you in theory would constantly be having coordinators picked off if you have a good offense until inevitably you hire a bum that can’t keep it going.

 

[RJS]

AG was announced on Jan 28th 2021, less than 2 wks before DA was formalized. The HC decision was probably made before AG was hired by the Lions. ALSO, AG was just a DB's position coach it's RARE that a position coach makes the jump to HC without being a coordinator. We had the chance to hire AG as HC but did not want to

I'm pretty sure Sean Payton coached the Saints in 2021.

 

[tjharris]

In today's NFL you need an offensive HC, it's an offense driven league. It's just easier if the HC is also the OC

 

[Hedon James]

With AG you are going to get DA's defensive philosophy. I'd rather not have the bend but don't break way of doing things

i think you mean the "bend for 58:00, THEN break" philosophy. i'm splitting hairs...you bring up a good point that I hadn't thought about, and I agree.

 

[fishing4food]

Agree. I also like the dynamic of never having to worry about your offensive coordinator leaving. Offensive continuity would be guaranteed as long as your HC is employed, and offense is everything in today’s game.

With a defensive HC or Leader of Men HC, you in theory would constantly be having coordinators picked off if you have a good offense until inevitably you hire a bum that can’t keep it going.

Excellent point! Keep the offense intact. We would just have to stay away from defensive coordinators like Rob Ryan. I'm still don't see why SP hired him.

 

[MudvilleStomper]

I think your take is quite lazy too, no offense. Pat Kirwin is about as connected and informed as any national talking head could possibly be. PK is (in my humble opinion) the best in the business. If you’ve never listened to moving the chains on SiriusXm you should give it a shot. It’s the sole reason I pay for a subscription.

As for Aaron Glenn, I don’t think he really moves the needle. I like the guy and wouldn’t be angry if he is hired, but as some have already said, I would prefer an offensive minded head coach.

Jeez....

So Pat Kirwan has inside information that no one locally has heard? Perhaps.

I agree that Kirwan's good but this one smells like desktop research without any ground truthing. You have a team that needs a coach and a likely in demand coach with ties to that team. Hey, that sounds like a story, let's run with it. Next.

I like Aaron Glenn a lot, too, but that situation (DC as HC) would be too similar to the situation we just got out of. Maybe Glenn has more vim and vigor, but I just don't think we'll be going in that direction this time. I've heard at least one "in the know" local say the same thing. And when it comes to Saints news, I'll take Underhill over Kirwan every time.

 

[CajunSaint08]

This may have been asked, but what if Rizz wins out or goes 6-2, 7-1 to close out the season. Would he not be a true candidate for the next head coach?

Just saying.

 

[Big_L]

I think we need a defensive coach. I remember all of the prime Brees years with no defense and we got nothing, not even a playoff berth.

 

[Hedon James]

This may have been asked, but what if Rizz wins out or goes 6-2, 7-1 to close out the season. Would he not be a true candidate for the next head coach?

Just saying.

He is for me. I'll even lower the bar to 5-3, as long as those 3 losses aren't ALL to the perceived playoff-contender/winning teams (Rams, Commanders & Packers). Considering the remaining teams on schedule include the Browns, Giants, Raiders & Bucs...with the Falcons already disposed of....that's a gauntlet of teams with losing records or in disarray. Those are teams DA would normally beat, with the Bucs being a toss-up, so I expect Rizzi to at least match that. If he doesn't, he's not the guy, no matter how much I like him. Otherwise, this is how I see it:

• If Rizzi goes 4-4, that sounds like a middling DA performance, with Rizzi having "stole" one against the Falcons to end a horrific skid. Kudos for that, though!
• If Rizzi goes 5-3, that sounds like a middling DA performance (see above) against "losers", with losses to the 3 winning contenders (also sounds like DA)
• If Rizzi is competitive in ALL 3 games against the "contenders" and somehow steals a victory from one of those, even if he stubs his toe on a lesser opponent (perhaps Bucs?), this is my threshold to remove the interim tag.
• If Rizzi goes 6-2, 7-1, or (gasp) goes 8-0 during his stint, just name the dude HC and ask him what he needs to build on THAT performance. And give it to him!

I don't get a say with the Saints org, so this is JMO...

 

[St. Widge]

With AG you are going to get DA's defensive philosophy. I'd rather not have the bend but don't break way of doing things

You sure about that? I think the Lions have a pretty high blitz percentage under Glenn.

 

[guillermo]

I don't care if the new coach is an offensive or defensive genius. I just want a good leader.

Nobody thinks Dan Campbell is an offensive genius. When Mike Tomlin (who came from a cover 2 system) was hired, his first decision was to keep the defensive structure and system of the steelers. John Harbaugh was mainly a special teams coach before being hired.

We need someone who can identify good coaches to handle offense, defence and special teams. He should build a structure where he is forming coaches, as chances are our better assistant coaches will leave from promotions elsewhere. This coach should also identify when it is needed to change pace if things are not going accordingly.

As I wrote, any new coach will need to have a two year period to stabilize roster and cap, and be competitive by year 3 or 4.

Problem is, we don't know if we are going to chance pace at the administrative side. If we are going to continue doing the same, hiring based on the same criteria, attacking the draft with the same attitude, and managing the cap as it has been.

In short notice, my biggest concern is Loomis making once again, the same decisions.

 

[Saint Greg]

AG was announced on Jan 28th 2021, less than 2 wks before DA was formalized. The HC decision was probably made before AG was hired by the Lions. ALSO, AG was just a DB's position coach it's RARE that a position coach makes the jump to HC without being a coordinator. We had the chance to hire AG as HC but did not want to

2021 was Payton's last year. Allen was hired in 2022. ALSO this started when someone said Aaron Glenn probably left for Detroit after not getting the HC job. I was pointing out he was already in Detroit at that time.

 

[St.Dan]

He is for me. I'll even lower the bar to 5-3, as long as those 3 losses aren't ALL to the perceived playoff-contender/winning teams (Rams, Commanders & Packers). Considering the remaining teams on schedule include the Browns, Giants, Raiders & Bucs...with the Falcons already disposed of....that's a gauntlet of teams with losing records or in disarray. Those are teams DA would normally beat, with the Bucs being a toss-up, so I expect Rizzi to at least match that. If he doesn't, he's not the guy, no matter how much I like him. Otherwise, this is how I see it:

• If Rizzi goes 4-4, that sounds like a middling DA performance, with Rizzi having "stole" one against the Falcons to end a horrific skid. Kudos for that, though!
• If Rizzi goes 5-3, that sounds like a middling DA performance (see above) against "losers", with losses to the 3 winning contenders (also sounds like DA)
• If Rizzi is competitive in ALL 3 games against the "contenders" and somehow steals a victory from one of those, even if he stubs his toe on a lesser opponent (perhaps Bucs?), this is my threshold to remove the interim tag.
• If Rizzi goes 6-2, 7-1, or (gasp) goes 8-0 during his stint, just name the dude HC and ask him what he needs to build on THAT performance. And give it to him!

I don't get a say with the Saints org, so this is JMO...

In bold is the easiest bet, for me anyway. I don't think we have the players to run the table all the way to the Bucs game, which would probably be for the division. (The Failclowns and Bucs are too inconsistent themselves to "pull away" in the division before then). I'm completely fine with wins over the teams we truly should beat (Browns this week, Raiders and Giants) and finishing 6-11 and still getting a decent position in the first round of the draft.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Was listening to Moving the Chains yesterday on NFL Network. The were discussing Lions coaches and how they will likely lose some. The hosts Pat Kirwin and another dude that was sitting in for Jim Miller mentioned that if they were betting they would put their money on Aaron Glenn returning to the Saints.

I'd be on board.