Peter King's Top 5 Michael Vick destinations (guess who is #1) (1 Viewer)

[mister pc]

Really ... what's that magic number?



We agree that we don't won't to take away touches from our other skills players (which is why I don't want Vick) but I still don't see how it's going to take more than 1 or 2 of Brees passing attempts away. Even then those would then be replaced with HIGH percentage wide open wildcat plays that Ronnie Brown can complete ... wonder what Micheal Vick, Tim Tebow, or Pat White could do?

My main contention is that it's not completely ludicrous to bring MV into this offense as many on the forum are saying. There's a reson why respected intelligent football people like Peter King and Herman Edwards have suggested it. It's because it's not the worst idea ever. Just not a very good one.

Ronnie Brown is wide open on his passing plays because he's a running back. Brown has only attempted 4 passes in his career, compared to 781 rushing attempts. Thats why defenses dont honor the pass when Brown has the ball. Vick is thought of as a QB, he has attempted over 1,700 passes in the NFL. Everytime the ball is in his hands, the defense will be prepared for the possibility of a pass.


Its not the worst idea ever, somebody was talking about trading Chris Paul a couple months ago. That makes this only the second worst idea i have heard this year.

 

[FatiusJeebs]

Let's see. Did Atlanta do better with Ryan or Vick at QB? Who is Ryan more like? Vick or Brees. Who's the best QB out of all three of these guys? Yeah, the guy who's already on our team. The idea that we need Vick to play even one play at QB for us is just plain stupid.

Is that really fair? A QB is usually only as good as the talent around him. Why not ask....would Atlanta be better with Vick or Ryan with their CURRENT roster?

 

[Diceman]

Come on guys, just think how good it would be on Madden!

 

[mister pc]

"You're probably sitting at the worst table in regards to level of interest offensively in this."

Doesn't sound like a guy with no interest in running the wildcat

i suggest investing in some reading comprehension classes.

 

[willkro]

As far as I know, we have no plans to put in the wildcat. If we did, I am sure the Bush, Devery, and Meachem would do a great job. Don't touch this guy.

 

[nosaint77]

statistically he is a terrible QB...not to mention the EX con part

 

[Burtifus]

Vick is thought of as a QB, he has attempted over 1,700 passes in the NFL. Everytime the ball is in his hands, the defense will be prepared for the possibility of a pass.

Then assuming the wildcat works (which it seems to so far) he should have an easy time running the ball. They'll adjust start creeping up and passes anyone can make open up.

Our offense doesn't need this gimmick I agree but it's not crazy to add it as well. It just gives defenses more to preprare for.

Its not the worst idea ever, somebody was talking about trading Chris Paul a couple months ago. That makes this only the second worst idea i have heard this year.

Hahahaha

 

[SaintsFan7]

Let's see. Did Atlanta do better with Ryan or Vick at QB? Who is Ryan more like? Vick or Brees. Who's the best QB out of all three of these guys? Yeah, the guy who's already on our team. The idea that we need Vick to play even one play at QB for us is just plain stupid.

Huh? Atlanta has went the NFC Championship game with Vick. Bad Example.

 

[Burtifus]

i suggest investing in some reading comprehension classes.

That quote suggests to you that he has NO interest in running the Wildcat when he clearly states he has the less than others (implying SOME level of interest).

See how I comprehend this and you don't?

 

[SaintDeras]

If I keep reading about Vick coming im going to EXPLODE!!

 

[mister pc]

Then assuming the wildcat works (which it seems to so far) he should have an easy time running the ball. They'll adjust start creeping up and passes anyone can make open up.

Our offense doesn't need this gimmick I agree but it's not crazy to add it as well. It just gives defenses more to preprare for.

i think we are on the same page. In the right situation it could work, but New Orleans is not the right situation. I think Vick would do well to go to a team like the Tennessee Titans. They could run the wildcat with Vick and Young on the field at the same time. Would be a much better fit, and they are a team that should be thinking about radical offensive changes whereas the Saints should not.

 

[SaintsFan7]

The mentor Parcells has allowed the Dolphins to run it and they won the AFC East this decade, a feat not easy considering the Patriots went 11-5 and own that division. It is interesting it will not happen because he will go to someone who (49ers) will pay him better money to go there and compete for a starter position. But to say Payton would not be interested in running the Wild Cat is crazy. He likes the wrinkle just does not have the pieces here to try the scheme out.

 

[mister pc]

That quote suggests to you that he has NO interest in running the Wildcat when he clearly states he has the less than others (implying SOME level of interest).

See how I comprehend this and you don't?

semantics. Payton said the Saints have less interest than any other team in the NFL, which is just as good as saying "not interested".

 

[rjackson57]

I guess you're referring to this:

"You're probably sitting at the worst table in regards to level of interest offensively in this," Payton said during the NFC coaches' media breakfast. "That's just because I want Brees to be getting the snaps all the time. But what it forces us as teams to do is allocate some time defending it. And more than just saying, 'Hey guys, by the way, they have this play. And here's two snaps on a Thursday, and we got it.' ...

"When the quarterback's a run threat, the minute you snap the ball to that player, instead of 10-on-11, it's 11-on-11. You get your number back, per se. The single wing philosophy. ... Let's pretend we're the Saints. Our quarterback's not going to run the football. Well essentially then, I'm not saying he doesn't have to be accounted for, but as you look at blockers and defenders, the defense has a chance to out-number you. But the minute that that player, i.e. the single wing or this wildcat or the spread, then that number evens out again. It's really an old, old, old thought. But everything's cyclical. So here it is again. But it's interesting."

Doesn't sound like a guy with no interest in running the wildcat .. just not as much interest as other teams with shaky QB situations.

Actually, I think that his opening comments clearly reflect his lack of interest in the wildcat. I interpret the second paragraph as Payton discussing the difficulties with his ball club defending it. He clearly states "I want Brees to be getting the snaps all the time".

At least that's how I interpret his remarks. Doesn't sound like he has any interest in running it.

 

[lonestarcajun]

Hmmm... after looking at the article for what he says about everyone else, King is just full of it and has no real clue where Vick might go.

3. New England Patriots
I recall owner Bob Kraft and his wife, Myra, being up in arms about the team drafting Nebraska defensive lineman Christian Peter with his eight arrests and four convictions in Lincoln for aberrant behavior. The Patriots released him a couple of days after the draft. So that makes the Vick signing problematic and unlikely. But who knows? Maybe Bill Belichick can convince them Vick would be the kind of difference-making weapon Randy Moss was when the team got him from Oakland, even though Moss was thought to be an impossible guy to work with. There's the Corey Dillon case, too, another example of Belichick taking a problem child and making it work for the benefit of the team.

Notice that he has a pretty strong argument about why Vick wouldn't go to the Pats. Followed by a "who knows", with his thought that they should take him anyway.

I think the reason everyone keeps saying Vick with New Orleans, or even New England is the belief that the wildcat is just so golden. They are salivating to see the wildcat thrown into one of the top offenses.

The wildcat is a fad. If your offense is good enough, which ours is, you don't need it -- you stay with your best offensive weapon running the offense. Earlier, I saw it suggested that we run the wildcat because of the short yardage woes from a year ago... but our problems came from the defense knowing we were going to try to run it and us running it. Not sure how showing even more that we're going to run it is going to be any better. And if we're going to pass to pick up the first... we're better off with Brees.