Peter King's Top 5 Michael Vick destinations (guess who is #1) (2 Viewers)

[Burtifus]

Yes it does have to cut into Brees throwing the ball, unless the Saints go with an even less favorable run to pass ratio (which doesnt seem possible). There are a limited number of passing plays we can run each game. If you give Vick throwing opportunities, then by definition Brees is losing opportunities because he is not getting 100% of the throws.


Coach Payton explicitly said that the Saints offense has less interest in the wildcat than any other team in the NFL. Out of 32 teams, we are the least inclined to use the wildcat according to the head coach. That should have ended this discussion.

1 or 2 Vick passes a game to keep defenses honest in the wildcat could be added per game without changing anything.

Who knows running the wildcat could make the offense more efficient resulting in more first downs, more offensive plays a game and MORE Drew Brees passes.

If we ended the discussion everytime Sean Payton made a proclamation we'd have a pretty boring discussion board wouldn't we?

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Why not?

Career completion percentage = 53.8%

 

[JMP]

I just don't see this.

Anyone else?

 

[Jonesy77]

meh, if he can still play and he'd take backup QB money, why not? Its not like we're grooming some young talent to take Drew's place eventually.

 

[mister pc]

1 or 2 Vick passes a game to keep defenses honest in the wildcat could be added per game without changing anything.

Who knows running the wildcat could make the offense more efficient resulting in more first downs, more offensive plays a game and MORE Drew Brees passes.

If we ended the discussion everytime Sean Payton made a proclamation we'd have a pretty boring discussion board wouldn't we?

Adding Vick will not magically give us extra snaps on offense. There are a fixed number of passing and running plays that can be attempted. Vick's touches have to come from somewhere. If he is throwing the ball and getting carries/receptions, its less touches for the other players. less touches for Reggie and PT, less throws for Brees. Sorry but we have the most successful offense in the NFL, its a completely asinine idea to make such radical changes. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

Does Vick throw better than Brees? No.
Does he run better than Reggie or PT? No.
Does he catch better than Colston or Moore? No.


Vick is a downgrade at every offensive position for the Saints. His versatility is irrelevant because he doesnt play any position better than the guys we already have. I dont want to take away Reggie and PT carries in favor of Vick. I dont want to take away Moore's catches or Brees' passes in favor of Vick. Neither does the head coach. If you want to fantasize about something that will never happen, thats cool. But anybody who thinks we are the most likely team to sign Vick doesnt know jack **** about the Saints. It was as recently as last week that Payton expressed an extreme lack of enthusiasm for implementing the wildcat, and his main reasoning was that the wildcat would take away touches for Brees.

 

[FatiusJeebs]

Career completion percentage = 53.8%

Those look like backup numbers to me.

 

[Nonreg]

Vick is going to seattle.

his brother stayed at my hotel a few months back, said its almost a guarentee unless someone offers him a boatload more money.

 

[saintfan-n-alex]

Why not?

he wasnt a very effective passing QB and our system involves quick reads and accuracy - Vick has never shown he was able to play in that manner.

our receivers run routes not blocking assignments

 

[Jonesy77]

Vick is a downgrade at every offensive position for the Saints.

except possibly backup qb

And he doesn't necessarily need to take a play away from anyone. They could put him in and run a draw to Pierre or Reggie, which might freeze the defense a little.

I say if people who know more about football than I do, like the Saints coaching staff, were to sign off on this guy after seeing what they need to see, then I'd trust them

 

[mister pc]

I say if people who know more about football than I do, like the Saints coaching staff, were to sign off on this guy after seeing what they need to see, then I'd trust them

the Saints coaching staff already made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in incorporating the wildcat into our offense.

 

[Domeination]

Let's see. Did Atlanta do better with Ryan or Vick at QB? Who is Ryan more like? Vick or Brees. Who's the best QB out of all three of these guys? Yeah, the guy who's already on our team. The idea that we need Vick to play even one play at QB for us is just plain stupid.

 

[Burtifus]

Adding Vick will not magically give us extra snaps on offense. There are a fixed number of passing and running plays that can be attempted.

Really ... what's that magic number?

Vick's touches have to come from somewhere. If he is throwing the ball and getting carries/receptions, its less touches for the other players. less touches for Reggie and PT, less throws for Brees. Sorry but we have the most successful offense in the NFL, its a completely asinine idea to make such radical changes. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

We agree that we don't won't to take away touches from our other skills players (which is why I don't want Vick) but I still don't see how it's going to take more than 1 or 2 of Brees passing attempts away. Even then those would then be replaced with HIGH percentage wide open wildcat plays that Ronnie Brown can complete ... wonder what Micheal Vick, Tim Tebow, or Pat White could do?

My main contention is that it's not completely ludicrous to bring MV into this offense as many on the forum are saying. There's a reson why respected intelligent football people like Peter King and Herman Edwards have suggested it. It's because it's not the worst idea ever. Just not a very good one.

 

[FatiusJeebs]

except possibly backup qb

And he doesn't necessarily need to take a play away from anyone. They could put him in and run a draw to Pierre or Reggie, which might freeze the defense a little.

I say if people who know more about football than I do, like the Saints coaching staff, were to sign off on this guy after seeing what they need to see, then I'd trust them

My point exactly.

 

[Burtifus]

the Saints coaching staff already made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in incorporating the wildcat into our offense.

I guess you're referring to this:

"You're probably sitting at the worst table in regards to level of interest offensively in this," Payton said during the NFC coaches' media breakfast. "That's just because I want Brees to be getting the snaps all the time. But what it forces us as teams to do is allocate some time defending it. And more than just saying, 'Hey guys, by the way, they have this play. And here's two snaps on a Thursday, and we got it.' ...

"When the quarterback's a run threat, the minute you snap the ball to that player, instead of 10-on-11, it's 11-on-11. You get your number back, per se. The single wing philosophy. ... Let's pretend we're the Saints. Our quarterback's not going to run the football. Well essentially then, I'm not saying he doesn't have to be accounted for, but as you look at blockers and defenders, the defense has a chance to out-number you. But the minute that that player, i.e. the single wing or this wildcat or the spread, then that number evens out again. It's really an old, old, old thought. But everything's cyclical. So here it is again. But it's interesting."

Doesn't sound like a guy with no interest in running the wildcat .. just not as much interest as other teams with shaky QB situations.

 

[Jonesy77]

the Saints coaching staff already made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in incorporating the wildcat into our offense.

right. Since the argument is rendered moot by the caveat "if the coaches signed off on him", it's largely an academic question. Since they won't, I'll never need to worry about being proven wrong.