Ryan Clark Calls Sean Payton a Thug (2 Viewers)

[saintfan-n-alexla]

Hard to build a program around an older qb with a big contract

Longer he keeps Russ the harder it is to justify ditching him if he plays above avg and harder to justify keeping him when/if he declines

Now is his chance to make the move while using the “previous regime “ position that he began using in preseason

Problem Sean has IMO is he doesn’t do great at selecting qbs

 

[sfidc3]

Yeah yeah. Bad mouth him all you want but I take Sean back in a heart beat

Same here....and underperforming? It's his first year there, they were 5-12 last year and are 7-8 right now, and they beat the Chiefs for the first time in years.....just a bit shortsighted IMO......

 

[sfidc3]

Ryan Clark sounds like he has an axe to grind. Stop acting like we all didn't hear about what was going on with Russ in the Broncos organization before Sean Payton got there. Sean Payton needed to set the tone to change a terrible culture that was taken advantage of by a washed up, overpaid, prima donna of a QB.

Not sure if I buy that, like so many others do so often, he is playing a role....a paid actor.....most of them are IMO.....

 

[jacksonsaint]

And he is still mediocre especially for the past few years. Come on dude.

Last year he was mediocre. So were Dalton and Winston. Russ made the pro bowl from 2017-2021. This year he ranks slightly behind Carr in QBR. Put him in a good system and he has 2-3 years of good play left.

 

[jacksonsaint]

Should've been done earlier this season...somewhere around the 72-22 game then nobody wouldn't have said anything....they clawed back from 1-5 to a respectable spot then pulled the RW plug, that's what has some people up in arms.

Not me tho, I been saying Russ was trash and wouldn't work....and here we are.

Timing is sus....but I get it though - CSP just wants his own guy

What do you think he sees in Stidham? Has to be something to sign him to a 2 yr deal for 10 million. Chunk of change for a career backup. Maybe Sean believes he could be the guy.

 

[BreesusSaves]

What do you think he sees in Stidham? Has to be something to sign him to a 2 yr deal for 10 million. Chunk of change for a career backup.

With how inflated QB contracts are now, $5m/yr for a backup is really not that crazy. There are 10 backup QBs making more than $4m a year.

 

[NewOrleansFan]

This is nothing new. It’s how Sean Payton is. Great coach with a huge ego. It’s his way or the highway and he wants to set a tone. it won’t hurt Denver. He did the same thing when he first got to New Orleans. Dude got balls.

This is Sean Payton


These are his balls

 

[SWJJ]

If Stidham turns into the man for SP it will be HILARIOUS that the New England Patriots had the answer to QB for years and never gave him a chance.

 

[jacksonsaint]

With how inflated QB contracts are now, $5m/yr for a backup is really not that crazy. There are 10 backup QBs making more than $4m a year.

Proven backups who have had starting roles. Jamies, Dalton, Brissett, etc. Stidham is tied with Jamies for the 10th highest paid backup. Agree that they are inflated, but why pay a guy who has never proved he's worth the $?

 

[jahsoul357]

He should have stopped after saying Wilson excels when the play breaks down. Somehow at his age that is still true. He has a 13:2 TD:INT ratio when under pressure this year.

LOL...I know right.

But I said this when everyone was clamoring for Russ (dang I got beat up in that thread )

Now, I'm not saying that Russ cannot play in this system but for those that think that he will immediately come in and run our offense would need to temper their expectation. If we called Jameis a reclamation project because of interceptions, what would we call Russ based off his weaknesses. People misconstrue pointing out these weaknesses as saying that he isn't great. He is and he has the numbers to back it up. He also played in a system that covered some of these weaknesses (as any system should) and his athleticism made up for others.

Last year he was mediocre. So were Dalton and Winston. Russ made the pro bowl from 2017-2021. This year he ranks slightly behind Carr in QBR. Put him in a good system and he has 2-3 years of good play left.

I asked @Rouxble to see if he could pull the metrics on our 2021 bunch because I wanted to see how they stacked up against Russ this season but film matches metrics more than stats. I'm not saying he is playing bad at all but when you look at film, there is no way that he is playing anywhere close to his contract.

And Russ' skillset really just doesn't really translate across systems.

 

[Chris]

Not sure if I buy that, like so many others do so often, he is playing a role....a paid actor.....most of them are IMO.....

He called the man a thug on national television. That's a personal attack. That's not playing a role. Playing a role would be Skip Bayless pretending like LeBron James was never that good.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Proven backups who have had starting roles. Jamies, Dalton, Brissett, etc. Stidham is tied with Jamies for the 10th highest paid backup. Agree that they are inflated, but why pay a guy who has never proved he's worth the $?

I mean, it doesn't really matter why; that's what the market conditions are.

And I'll posit that Ryan Clark doesn't know what a thug is if he thinks Payton is one. Payton is an egomaniacal prick (who I wish was still our head coach), but not a thug.

 

[jacksonsaint]

I asked @Rouxble to see if he could pull the metrics on our 2021 bunch because I wanted to see how they stacked up against Russ this season but film matches metrics more than stats. I'm not saying he is playing bad at all but when you look at film, there is no way that he is playing anywhere close to his contract.

And Russ' skillset really just doesn't really translate across systems.

I would be interested to see the metrics as well. I agree that he is not playing anywhere close to his contract, I would think a lot of that has to do with age and fitting into new systems (Hackett, then Sean). He excels in systems built around him, but can't handle trying to conform to an existing system due to his ego and unique play style. Not like he is coming to NOLA anyway, no way we could afford it and DA will stick with Carr until he gets the axe.

 

[Blazing Saint]

On his 60th birthday at that.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Proven backups who have had starting roles. Jamies, Dalton, Brissett, etc. Stidham is tied with Jamies for the 10th highest paid backup. Agree that they are inflated, but why pay a guy who has never proved he's worth the $?

Because the QB market is out of control. Stupid franchises are so terrified of losing below average QBs that they'll give them $40m/yr.