Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (5 Viewers)

[Rexman100]

From the Jets board, also how I feel if we added Adams. Made me chuckle.

“This is adding one more cello to the band as the Titanic sinks”

I follow their board too. They have the most clever comments. But the big picture is this: you know that Drew and Sean are gone when you start engaging with Raider fans and visit the jets boards. I wouldn’t be caught dead there when DB was Qb. Kidding not kidding

 

[DaveXA]

The window has been shut for years now. Only the most delusional refuse to see that.

I'm not even sure what this nebulous "window is shut" is referring to. What window? And how exactly is it shut? Window for....having a decent team? Having a playoff team? Getting to the SB? That's all based on pretty subjective criteria. Having everything in place guarantees nothing.

It's a parity driven league and it all matters, talent, injuries, luck, coaching and on and on. The margins are thin and one key injury can derail a season for most teams. KC is one of the few truly dominant teams out there. Coaching has something to do with it, but their talent level is also undeniable.

 

[Rexman100]

Bill bellicheck said they would be lucky to get a 4th rounder for D. Adams.

 

[St. Widge]

Love the post but just want to point out that Carr isn’t throwing off his back foot all because of the blocking. I mean it is probably a flinch like reaction because of a 250 plus lineman coming at him but ultimately he could probably move and sling it with his feet planted. We have seen the best to ever do it in a Saints uniform and maybe of all time.

That's fair, but Carr isn't very mobile and sliding in the pocket or buying time isn't his game. It's one of his major limitations as a QB. If he had the ability to move around in the pocket, buy time, and make a lot of off schedule throws, he would be up a level as a QB. But, he's not that guy.

 

[dutar76]

I'm not even sure what this nebulous "window is shut" is referring to. What window? And how exactly is it shut? Window for....having a decent team? Having a playoff team? Getting to the SB? That's all based on pretty subjective criteria. Having everything in place guarantees nothing.

It's a parity driven league and it all matters, talent, injuries, luck, coaching and on and on. The margins are thin and one key injury can derail a season for most teams. KC is one of the few truly dominant teams out there. Coaching has something to do with it, but their talent level is also undeniable.

You left off "refs". KC and their darling QB get plenty of ref help when needed. That's undeniable. Heck, they got it last night when they didn't need it.

I really do like the Chiefs and will probably pull for them in the superbowl again this year. A few AFC teams I like better. Only Saints in the NFC. But what they have is an almost unstoppable QB, strong OL, and tough defense. What they lack is proven weapons remaining outside of Kelce. I do think their rookie WR will be special, but losing Rice hurt them. Signing Hunt was an absolute brilliant and underrated move. But they too are literally one injury from severe mediocrity. Without Mahommes, they're very beatable every week. Can't believe they're not going after Adams.

 

[504gks]

That's fair, but Carr isn't very mobile and sliding in the pocket or buying time isn't his game. It's one of his major limitations as a QB. If he had the ability to move around in the pocket, buy time, and make a lot of off schedule throws, he would be up a level as a QB. But, he's not that guy.

He's major move is throwing it up off his back foot... He did it about 5 times...

 

[504gks]

I follow their board too. They have the most clever comments. But the big picture is this: you know that Drew and Sean are gone when you start engaging with Raider fans and visit the jets boards. I wouldn’t be caught dead there when DB was Qb. Kidding not kidding

agree with them. We need cheap labor. We don't need to be hamstrung with another injury problem. We dont have the blocking for a real passing game...

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

On a team devoid of playmakers last night, Carr had some moments where he made some throws, that guys couldn't and needed to come down with. You've got Olave bouncing up and down for 5 seconds waiting for the snap and drawing a penalty. you got Mason Tipton having a ball slip right through his hands, you've got Shaheed failing to come back to an underthrown ball to draw a PI.

There was a lot of offensive ineptitude and yet in a scheme thats designed for the QB to make some plays w/ his legs when the play breaks down, it's frustrating that Carr doesn't take open running lanes and make a play or two.

Yes the pocket broke down aroud him a few times, that's to be expected w/ the # of backups playing on the interior. Find a damn escape path and pick up 3-4 yards, especially on a day where your Running game is gettting smashed after 2ypc.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

We need to develop Rattler and quickly, he's the QB that best fits what this scheme wants to be. He can throw the ball deep, escape the pocket, and make some plays w/ his legs when warranted. He's just very RAW w/ his decision making.

 

[Rexman100]

On a team devoid of playmakers last night, Carr had some moments where he made some throws, that guys couldn't and needed to come down with. You've got Olave bouncing up and down for 5 seconds waiting for the snap and drawing a penalty. you got Mason Tipton having a ball slip right through his hands, you've got Shaheed failing to come back to an underthrown ball to draw a PI.

There was a lot of offensive ineptitude and yet in a scheme thats designed for the QB to make some plays w/ his legs when the play breaks down, it's frustrating that Carr doesn't take open running lanes and make a play or two.

Yes the pocket broke down aroud him a few times, that's to be expected w/ the # of backups playing on the interior. Find a damn escape path and pick up 3-4 yards, especially on a day where your Running game is gettting smashed after 2ypc.

lets not glaze over the fact that Carr seemed terrified for the first quarter. Maybe his fault, but its clear that they had no offensive confidence heading into the game. It was razor thin and the D knew it. Because that pick told the Defense, "we got nothing, its all on you" Sadly, that's the message but the message was a lie that they believed. A lie? Yea, because we were able to battle back and make sort of a game of it.

 

[St. Widge]

He's major move is throwing it up off his back foot... He did it about 5 times...

Well yeah. That tends to happen when an immobile QB gets pressure in his face 2 seconds after the ball is snapped. It's not what you want but the way to stop it is better pass protection in the middle.

 

[St. Widge]

On a team devoid of playmakers last night, Carr had some moments where he made some throws, that guys couldn't and needed to come down with. You've got Olave bouncing up and down for 5 seconds waiting for the snap and drawing a penalty. you got Mason Tipton having a ball slip right through his hands, you've got Shaheed failing to come back to an underthrown ball to draw a PI.

There was a lot of offensive ineptitude and yet in a scheme thats designed for the QB to make some plays w/ his legs when the play breaks down, it's frustrating that Carr doesn't take open running lanes and make a play or two.

Yes the pocket broke down aroud him a few times, that's to be expected w/ the # of backups playing on the interior. Find a damn escape path and pick up 3-4 yards, especially on a day where your Running game is gettting smashed after 2ypc.

That's been Carr during his career. He's not a terrible athlete, but he's never been a guy that can move around in the pocket or who sees the running lanes.

 

[St. Widge]

We need to develop Rattler and quickly, he's the QB that best fits what this scheme wants to be. He can throw the ball deep, escape the pocket, and make some plays w/ his legs when warranted. He's just very RAW w/ his decision making.

So what do you think is best for Rattler's development? If Carr is hurt should they start him or would it be better to let him sit the rest of the year to work on the mental part of his game?

I tend to think it would be better to let him sit and keep the pressure off of him to be the savior, but I also see some advantages in giving him live snaps since in the end the way to learn to play QB in the NFL is to play QB in the NFL. But, if he's not ready it could retard his progress.

At the same point I think Haener has a lot of the mobility that you are looking for in this scheme. He obviously doesn't have Rattler's arm, not many do, but I think he has a good arm that is plenty good enough to play in this scheme. And he has the speed/quickness to move around in the pocket and take the rushing yards when they are there. Not sure he is ready to read coverages or face the blitz, but I think this scheme does a good job in simplifying reads for young QBs.

 

[Walter White]

agree with them. We need cheap labor. We don't need to be hamstrung with another injury problem. We dont have the blocking for a real passing game...

Oschners will only make it worse!

 

[Rexman100]

they dont need Adams. Mahomes buys enough time in the pocket that he can get an 8th grade WR open.