Saints Sign Ex-Browns LB Craig Robertson, 3 year deal (merged) (2 Viewers)

[TruSaint]

I am not sold on our current DTs. I like them. But pragmatism can't let me trust them. I think we're in need of two starting DTs if we're still looking 43. Fairley and then a high draft pick. Two high draft picks if not. Like our OGs. That needs competition at both spots.

Ditto, I think we sign one and also draft one high.

 

[MSUSousaphone]

And if we do that and Kik, Tull, Edebali, and GWACHAM go DEs.....I'd actually love our front 7. No DEs needed.

 

[BooBirdSaint]

If we don't improve the middle of the DL it will be another lost season IMO.

 

[VPCajun]

The older fans tend to be. They were around for some really awful football and bad decisions. They're like WWI veterans, saw too much to be the same.

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Pssst - Newbies have been around some "really awful football and bad decisions" as well.

Or is it just nice and convenient to ignore those 2 years of Atrocious Defense (ie, ranked at the BOTTOM of the league) and years of Awful contracts by the FO.

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[English]

We got to get someone now to eat up blockers and let these LBs make plays.
I do like this singing and am pleased that a major weakness is being addressed.....

 

[St.Fury]

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Pssst - Newbies have been around some "really awful football and bad decisions" as well.

Or is it just nice and convenient to ignore those 2 years of Atrocious Defense (ie, ranked at the BOTTOM of the league) and years of Awful contracts by the FO.

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What you're calling "really aweful football" is really just mediocre football. Those defenses were bad. But the offenses were extremely good. remember that one play from earlier in the year when Breaux lost the ball in the lights? Or when he fell and gave up that long TD against Indy? Those types of freak plays were common occurrences back in the 70!s and 80's. We were a real life blooper real. Thankfully, I'm not old enough to have experienced the 70's and I'm only barely old enough to vaguely remember the early/mid 80's. We were actually fairly good in the latter part of the 80's and early 90's. But before that, those freak plays were all we had to look forward to, or remember. "Remember that game when....?"

 

[Rugger]

Naw, that is no excuse. I've been around since the very first pre-season game up in Shreveport (then called an exhibition game) and am actually positive most of the time. The contrast with what we had then vs what we have now makes me grateful and optimistic for the most part.

So, I kinda think it is just the opposite with us old farts.

OTOH, some folks just have to be negative to show others how much they know and how stupid optimistic fans are.

I always thought they were overly negative as a win/win. If something goes wrong they can be the first to say "I told you so" and if something goes right, it is the outcome they were hoping for anyway.

It reminds me of something someone near and dear to me once said. They said: "I'm always right, until someone absolutely and definitively proves me wrong, then I change my point of view and I'm right again."

It's the same logic as:

"We need to sign someone, but only if they are an amazing talent that is signed for half their value. Every other team is managing to do this every offseason while we are doing nothing. Of course, once we sign these players, it would mean we spent too much money on someone else's cast-off and we are further putting ourselves in cap hell. Thanks Loomis.

Although I have no idea who these players are, how we plan to use them, and/or who else we previously passed on signing; we would also assuredly sign cheap players that are nothing more than camp bodies. I will lambast the front office for all of these signings and I will engage people, who express positive view points, with hostility. Then I will play the victim card while enjoying the free education from people who 1) Do research about these players before posting 2) can project how the new players could possibably fit into the roster form a position of confidence."
I could make a similar post about the draft and the game day threads, but that might be too much truth for one night.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

We now have 9 NFL clover LBs which is the number a 3-4 team would carry during the season.

Jack: Kikaha, Edabali, Tull, Gwachum
Will: Robertson, Stupar
Mike: Laurinitis, Ellerbe
Sam: Anthony, Mauti

Possible 3-4 depth?

No...doesn't make any sense.

When u think of 3-4 Sam LBs u think Justin Houston, Von Miller, Anthony Spencer, guys that can...you know....rush the passer.

Now look at the two guys you have playing Sam...do they fit that criteria?

Actually it looks more like

Sam Anthony, Mauti,
Mike Laurinitis
Will Ellerbe, Robertson

STs Stupar and can play all the LB positions in a pinch.

Robertson could eventually beat out Ellerbe or be an injury replacement
If Laurinitis would go down Anthony would slide to Mike,Mauti to Sam like last year when Kikaha went down.

I know I said 3-4 in a recent post but it was a knee jerk reaction. These are clearly 4-3 signings and the FA guys we've been looking at scream 4-3 anyway...wouldn't be checking out Fairly or Hatcher if we were looking to play a 3-4.

It's very likely we will be multiple fronts but mainly a 4-3 base team

 

[Rugger]

No...doesn't make any sense.

When u think of 3-4 Sam LBs u think Justin Houston, Von Miller, Anthony Spencer, guys that can...you know....rush the passer.

Now look at the two guys you have playing Sam...do they fit that criteria?

Actually it looks more like

Sam Anthony, Mauti,
Mike Laurinitis
Will Ellerbe, Robertson

STs Stupar and can play all the LB positions in a pinch.

Robertson could eventually beat out Ellerbe or be an injury replacement
If Laurinitis would go down Anthony would slide to Mike,Mauti to Sam like last year when Kikaha went down.

I know I said 3-4 in a recent post but it was a knee jerk reaction. These are clearly 4-3 signings and the FA guys we've been looking at scream 4-3 anyway...wouldn't be checking out Fairly or Hatcher if we were looking to play a 3-4.

It's very likely we will be multiple fronts but mainly a 4-3 base team

It kind of depends on the scheme. In a 4-3 some defenses like to blitz the WILL because they are often unblocked on the line and/or are blocked by the RB lined up in the back field. A SAM LBer maybe asked to set the edge and engage the TE. They also often have to cover the TE off the line p, so if can negate the SAM's ability to pass rush.

It,is a little different in the 3-4 because most teams rush 4 anyway and a team can get a little more creative with where they are sending them. So a SAM can be more flexible in coverage and pass rushing.

Of course this is all scheme dependent regardless of alignment.

 

[SaintfromOZ]

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Looks good to me

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

It kind of depends on the scheme. In a 4-3 some defenses like to blitz the WILL because they are often unblocked on the line and/or are blocked by the RB lined up in the back field. A SAM LBer maybe asked to set the edge and engage the TE. They also often have to cover the TE off the line p, so if can negate the SAM's ability to pass rush.

It,is a little different in the 3-4 because most teams rush 4 anyway and a team can get a little more creative with where they are sending them. So a SAM can be more flexible in coverage and pass rushing.

Of course this is all scheme dependent regardless of alignment.

I get what you are saying..but to take from another poster...we signed 3 off ball LBs. In a 3-4 the Sam is going to be on ball a lot more than off ball vs a 4-3 where the sam will be off ball more than on ball.

Speaking strictly in base form as they all shift but yeah..it's a 4-3 bro. Like I said Robertson is one of those ascending players(or u hope he is)and Ellerbe is on the way down

Think of Robertson as a 2nd/3rd round pick. Might take a sec for him to take over..might take an injury..or he might win it in camp...but he has that upside and Ellerbe is on borrowed time.

 

[Wheelo]

I get what you are saying..but to take from another poster...we signed 3 off ball LBs. In a 3-4 the Sam is going to be on ball a lot more than off ball vs a 4-3 where the sam will be off ball more than on ball.

Speaking strictly in base form as they all shift but yeah..it's a 4-3 bro. Like I said Robertson is one of those ascending players(or u hope he is)and Ellerbe is on the way down

Think of Robertson as a 2nd/3rd round pick. Might take a sec for him to take over..might take an injury..or he might win it in camp...but he has that upside and Ellerbe is on borrowed time.

I honestly think you guys are putting too much thought into this. I believe we will stick with the 43 over base. All we're doing is addressing a position of need with the method " if you throw enough poop at the wall, somethings bound to stick". I think they've run out of ideas of what they're looking for in LB's. They're gonna bring 25 into camp and see what happens.

 

[iNolaNightmare]

Kikaha to DE has to be happening, right? If so, gotta pull for Rankins or Billings at 12.

 

[TruSaint]

Man im excited about this, robertson truly is a stud in coverage and as an open field tackler. He also has hands like a tight end and can snag some passes.

 

[blackjack]

Man im excited about this, robertson truly is a stud in coverage and as an open field tackler. He also has hands like a tight end and can snag some passes.

I noticed his he's got a knack for picks that's great to have on this team's LB core now. If we did get Fairley what type of DT could go along with him?