Screenshot of Lattimore Liking a BR Post that the Texas Will Trade for Him (1 Viewer)

[SWJJ]

A strong alpha coach would sit down with Marshon and convince him to stay. The Saints don't have that. Our organization seems more concerned about protecting weak willed people than winning.

I have seen on Twitter that Latt seriously dislikes Allen, is frequently disrespectful to him in defensive film sessions and has walked out of positional meetings while Allen was speaking. I don't think Allen cares to smooth things over and feels he can find a cheaper DB and replace him cause dude can draft and develop DBs. It's speculated that we are going to get a conditional 3rd rounder depending on his injury. Again, it's from twitter, so I take it with a grain of salt.

 

[St. Widge]

I'll take Laremy Tunsil for him straight up right now.... Only a year older - Averages like 14 starts a season- 4 time Pro Bowler - and shores up the left side - has a very similar cap number to ML without the 2 extra voided years...

I love ML... But he's getting older (and older CBs fall off a cliff abruptly)... He's often injured... and his younger / cheaper replacement is on the roster already....

Shore up the left side and get this done.

Tunsil is basically the only starting caliber OL that the Texans have so I don't see them trading him. I think you ask for a 2nd for Lattimore and if you don't get it you keep him until the trade deadline. At that point you see where your season is. If you are still in contention for the division/playoffs, you keep him and trade him for whatever you can get next offseason. If not, you take what you can get from a contender that needs CB help. Of course, if Lattimore starts making noise and demands a trade that would change the situation.

 

[St. Widge]

I have seen on Twitter that Latt seriously dislikes Allen, is frequently disrespectful to him in defensive film sessions and has walked out of positional meetings while Allen was speaking. It's speculated that we are going to get a conditional 3rd rounder depending on his injury. Again, it's from twitter, so I take it with a grain of salt.

This is the first I've heard stuff like that. You would think if it were true someone, Underhill, Duncan, Triplett, Kat, etc. would have gotten that information and reported it. I mean, certainly MT would have told Underhill and the team would have leaked it to Duncan.

But, if it is true, he clearly needs to be traded. Like it or not DA is here for at least another year and you can't have that in the locker room with young players. Plus, there is no guarantee he won't do that to a new head coach in a year or two. Lattimore is a talented guy but he's getting older and no player is really worth that if it is true.

 

[Infoman]

Tunsil is basically the only starting caliber OL that the Texans have so I don't see them trading him. I think you ask for a 2nd for Lattimore and if you don't get it you keep him until the trade deadline. At that point you see where your season is. If you are still in contention for the division/playoffs, you keep him and trade him for whatever you can get next offseason. If not, you take what you can get from a contender that needs CB help. Of course, if Lattimore starts making noise and demands a trade that would change the situation.

Agree.... My point was - That's the only offer I am excepting in this hypothetical, Twitter/X induced, hyperbolic scenario. If you don't get a starting OT or Big Boy contested catch WR/TE... You keep him and that's that.

 

[St. Widge]

Agree.... My point was - That's the only offer I am excepting in this hypothetical, Twitter/X induced, hyperbolic scenario. If you don't get a starting OT or Big Boy contested catch WR/TE... You keep him and that's that.

I'd certainly take either of those for him. But I think a 2nd rounder puts you in a position to get one of those in the draft next year either in the second or gives you the ammo to move up for one. I don't think this team will be ready to really compete for at least 2 or 3 years to might as well stockpile picks/talent. Plus, as I'm sure you know, player trades are so rare in the NFL due to cap issues and needing time to learn schemes. But, they should be open to it if it comes around.

 

[Artifactual]

I'd certainly take either of those for him. But I think a 2nd rounder puts you in a position to get one of those in the draft next year either in the second or gives you the ammo to move up for one. I don't think this team will be ready to really compete for at least 2 or 3 years to might as well stockpile picks/talent. Plus, as I'm sure you know, player trades are so rare in the NFL due to cap issues and needing time to learn schemes. But, they should be open to it if it comes around.

I think best case scenario is a player for player trade of equal value that yields a position of need for the Saints that can be a plug and play guy from day one this year, 2024. Either an Offensive Lineman, Defensive Tackle, or Wide Receiver could be roster changers. A high draft pick in 2025 would be my 2nd choice.

Rosters are perpetually changing. The NFL is a win now league if you're a mid-tier team or better. Thinking that you are stock piling talent by moving a player for a single 2nd or 3 round draft choice to develop a roster to compete 2-3 years from now is a bit optimistic.

Three years from now the Saints more than likely will have moved on from their current core roster of aging players that include Cam Jordan, Alvin Kamara, Demario Davis, Ryan Ramczyk, Derek Carr, Taysom Hill, Tyrann Mathieu, Nathan Sheppard, and others.

Meanwhile, the core group of younger players will be moving near the criteria of the aforementioned as well as looking to get paid. In the meantime, there is the unknown, which includes injuries, busts, free agency departures and coaching changes. Three years is an eternity in the current landscape of the NFL.

With that said, a high draft choice in 2025 that can step in and play day one makes you better in 2025 but it doesn't guarantee the team as a whole will be in better shape to compete at a higher level in future years to come.

 

[St. Widge]

I think best case scenario is a player for player trade of equal value that yields a position of need for the Saints that can be a plug and play guy from day one this year, 2024. Either an Offensive Lineman, Defensive Tackle, or Wide Receiver could be roster changers. A high draft pick in 2025 would be my 2nd choice.

Rosters are perpetually changing. The NFL is a win now league if you're a mid-tier team or better. Thinking that you are stock piling talent by moving a player for a single 2nd or 3 round draft choice to develop a roster to compete 2-3 years from now is a bit optimistic.

Three years from now the Saints more than likely will have moved on from their current core roster of aging players that include Cam Jordan, Alvin Kamara, Demario Davis, Ryan Ramczyk, Derek Carr, Taysom Hill, Tyrann Mathieu, Nathan Sheppard, and others.

Meanwhile, the core group of younger players will be moving near the criteria of the aforementioned as well as looking to get paid. In the meantime, there is the unknown, which includes injuries, busts, free agency departures and coaching changes. Three years is an eternity in the current landscape of the NFL.

With that said, a high draft choice in 2025 that can step in and play day one makes you better in 2025 but it doesn't guarantee the team as a whole will be in better shape to compete at a higher level in future years to come.

I tend to think the only kind of player we could trade for is a guy of a similar age to Lattimore and I think this team needs to get younger and cheaper in order to get the cap under control an build for the future. At this point, the ceiling for this team is likely winning the division or making the playoffs and maybe getting one win in the playoffs. This team just isn't ready to compete for the NFC and probably won't be for 2 or 3 years. So, I think you take the chance on a 2nd round pick that could become a foundation piece in 2 or 3 years when you are ready to compete rather than an older talent that another team was willing to give up that will likely be on the downside of his career, and expensive, by the time you are ready to compete.

I think that fits better into how Loomis has operated this off season. I think its clear that he is looking to the future and cutting current costs now while remaining good enough to win the division if things go right.

 

[Infoman]

Oh, and for those thinking about "just draft pick compensation" - ML's value is going to be about what Jaylen Ramsey's was.... about a 3rd round pick and maybe a "filler player". That's about it.

 

[St. Widge]

Oh, and for those thinking about "just draft pick compensation" - ML's value is going to be about what Jaylen Ramsey's was.... about a 3rd round pick and maybe a "filler player". That's about it.

Could be. That's why I think you keep him until the trade deadline unless you are offered a 2nd or a solid starter or solid role player at a position of need. I just think it's just as unlikely that a team is going to offer a solid starter for Lattimore as it is that they will offer a 2nd round pick. However, you might be able to get a second for Lattimore (or maybe Lattimore and a late round pick) if you trade him to a contender that needs a CB at the trade deadline.

To put it simply, I think Lattimore would have maximum trade value around the trade deadline. But, if you are in contention, then you probably don't make the deal.

 

[sfidc3]

This is the first I've heard stuff like that. You would think if it were true someone, Underhill, Duncan, Triplett, Kat, etc. would have gotten that information and reported it. I mean, certainly MT would have told Underhill and the team would have leaked it to Duncan.

But, if it is true, he clearly needs to be traded. Like it or not DA is here for at least another year and you can't have that in the locker room with young players. Plus, there is no guarantee he won't do that to a new head coach in a year or two. Lattimore is a talented guy but he's getting older and no player is really worth that if it is true.

Makes sense to me.....can we trade DA instead of Latt?

He is by far the best CB the Saints have ever had and he is just turning 28 in a week.....all CB's have injuries at some point.....IMO it would be foolish to trade him, we don't have anyone close to as good as a pure cover corner......

 

[rlemieux]

I don't see us trading him to a team that is going to have the potential of reaching the Superbowl for the next couple of years.
The Texans would have to blow our FO away with a deal to make this happen...

He probably be sent to a team that we don't have to worry about in the future.

Why wouldn’t you send him to a contender? Especially one not in your division. That makes zero sense

 

[St. Widge]

Makes sense to me.....can we trade DA instead of Latt?

He is by far the best CB the Saints have ever had and he is just turning 28 in a week.....all CB's have injuries at some point.....IMO it would be foolish to trade him, we don't have anyone close to as good as a pure cover corner......

I'm afraid you are going to have to talk to Loomis about DA. And, I know this is blasphemy, but given that Tyrann and Demario have come out to back DA, maybe at least some of this, to the extent that Lattimore doesn't like DA, is on Lattimore? It could also just be residual from MT who was likely close to Lattimore given the Ohio State ties.

But, assuming Lattimore isn't demanding to get out or making trouble in the locker room, I don't really want to trade him, but if we aren't in contention at the trade deadline it will mean we aren't likely to be in contention for the next two years. At that point it makes sense to get some value for Lattimore while you can since a 28/29 year-old (next year) shut down CB is a luxury at re-tooling/soft rebuild team can't really afford.

If you are in contention this year, you keep him and hope you can make some noise in the playoffs. If not, it's probably time to move on and his value will be the highest while he is still 28 at the trade deadline.

 

[Saint KayBee]

I have seen on Twitter that Latt seriously dislikes Allen, is frequently disrespectful to him in defensive film sessions and has walked out of positional meetings while Allen was speaking. It's speculated that we are going to get a conditional 3rd rounder depending on his injury. Again, it's from twitter, so I take it with a grain of salt.

Even if I grant full validity to Lattimore not liking and openly disrespecting Allen, it won’t make alpha/beta wolves suddenly become a valid study, but don’t take my word for it, the internet is vast.

 

[SWJJ]

Even if I grant full validity to Lattimore not liking and openly disrespecting Allen, it won’t make alpha/beta wolves suddenly become a valid study, but don’t take my word for it, the internet is vast.

I don't disagree with you, I really should have quoted English's post not yours, as I was adding on to why I didn't agree with his statement

 

[srcampbell]

Makes sense to me.....can we trade DA instead of Latt?

He is by far the best CB the Saints have ever had and he is just turning 28 in a week.....all CB's have injuries at some point.....IMO it would be foolish to trade him, we don't have anyone close to as good as a pure cover corner......

Lattimore is easily replaceable. Our backfield didn’t miss a beat when he had his annual multigame absence. I hope we do trade him and make room for the younger talent. It’s now or never because he’s already getting old and his body is breaking down.