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superchuck500 said:
The caution wasn't out when the 3 and 11 made contact.

If you watch the in-car from the 3, he tries to close the 22 as best as he can in the turn, but he makes the turn - he just hits the back of the 22. Even if that's intentional (which it clearly was) is that going to draw a penalty under Nascar rules?

And then, the has to get around the 22 to make the finish line, he goes under the 22 and the 11 comes along beside him. Denny is trying to get ahead of the 3 but Dillon did not turn into the 11 (watch the white lane dividers - Austin doesn't move down, he holds the line). That's just two cars trying to be in the same line for the checkered flag.

I definitely think he drove through the 22 to pass him, but I don't think Nascar is going to penalize that. As for the 11, even watching it live I didn't think the 3 did much to wreck the 11 at all.

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Just dropping this here. Data shows AD did turn hard left right before getting into Hamlin.

 
DaveXA said:
Just dropping this here. Data shows AD did turn hard left right before getting into Hamlin.

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Maybe - it’s hard to pinpoint precisely when they make contact. In that scenario the car in the track is going to need to steer left to hold his line through the contact. Otherwise he’s going to veer/bounce right. Left input doesn’t mean he turned into the 11 unless it happened before the contact.
 
Larry Mac basically just said what I think about the Dillon deal. Nascar has let these things be settled on the track. Hitting a guy in the back on the last turn before the checkers has been something that they don’t penalize. And where the 11 and the 3 were on the track is going to produce contact - even if Austin steered left, that doesn’t mean that’s what actually caused the collision and Austin is just tying to keep his line to win the race at that point.

No - what Austin did wasn’t clean and the other drivers can hold it against him. But it’s really hard for Nascar to get into officiating this kind of scenario with rules and penalties.
 
superchuck500 said:
And where the 11 and the 3 were on the track is going to produce contact - even if Austin steered left, that doesn’t mean that’s what actually caused the collision and Austin is just tying to keep his line to win the race at that point.
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The 3 has to steer left when the 11 makes contact coming up the track (because they were both squeezed into the same space)

 
Dale's view also similar to mine - Austin drove into the back of the 22 for sure, it was desperation, but we do see that from time to time. It's not something people are going to like but it's also part of racing for the win. Then with Denny, it's just too hard to say that Austin won because he wrecked Denny. They're both squeezed into the same part of the track and at the point of contact, Austin is only thinking about full throttle on-line to the finish . . . and that requires him to turn left to avoid getting knocked into the wall with the 11.


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Dale Earnhardt Jr. weighs in on Austin Dillon, Joey Logano, Denny Hamlin chaotic finish at Richmond

Dale Earnhardt Jr. weighed in on Austin Dillon, Joey Logano, Denny Hamlin and their chaotic finish at Richmond Raceway on Sunday.
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superchuck500 said:
Dale's view also similar to mine - Austin drove into the back of the 22 for sure, it was desperation, but we do see that from time to time. It's not something people are going to like but it's also part of racing for the win. Then with Denny, it's just too hard to say that Austin won because he wrecked Denny. They're both squeezed into the same part of the track and at the point of contact, Austin is only thinking about full throttle on-line to the finish . . . and that requires him to turn left to avoid getting knocked into the wall with the 11.


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Dale Earnhardt Jr. weighs in on Austin Dillon, Joey Logano, Denny Hamlin chaotic finish at Richmond

Dale Earnhardt Jr. weighed in on Austin Dillon, Joey Logano, Denny Hamlin and their chaotic finish at Richmond Raceway on Sunday.
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While I tend to agree, Denny Hamlin has a much different take, which I guess is understandable, but he thinks Nascar has to draw a line in the sand and he obviously feels what Austin did was way over the line. I mean, his take is that Austin was too far back to legitimately race Joey and it was a deliberate decision to wreck Joey.

Hamlin said he had no idea Austin was in his space until Dillon actually turned him. Obvioisly he felt like Austin intentionally turned into him.

The other part of it is Austin's spotter was actually telling him to outright wreck Joey. So that's something else on the radar.

Idk what Nascar does. We'll see I guess.
 
superchuck500 said:
Here it is. He gets the win but not the playoffs. Kind of a weird result - if the win doesn’t count it shouldn’t count at all.



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NASCAR strips Austin Dillon's playoff eligibility for Richmond win

Austin Dillon keeps Richmond victory but remains outside a playoff spot with three races left in the regular season.
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Dang, I was thinking maybe suspension and denial of waiver, but just straight stripping him of a playoffs is a choice.

I'm OK with that. At least they're making it clear you can't wreck your way into the playoffs. Certainly not on purpose.

This is maybe a case of cutting the baby in half. They didn't want to take the win away and didn't want to give him a playoff spot.

Weird, but it is what it is.

And lol, they definitely didn't like the spotter's comments. 3 race suspension. Oof.

Edit: And Joey better thank his lucky stars he didn't get suspended.

That said, Nascar has gotta stop people from getting access to a hot pit road. They have to state clearly no one over the wall until all of the cars have come to a stop.
 
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Nascar did the right thing. You can't just wreck people, and the fact that the spotter is telling him in his ear to wreck him.... and he does is all you need to know about "squeezing" and "same place" its all bullshirt subterfuge. "I had to turn left" is actually telling me "I had to try and give him the Dale Earnhardt. I had to make sure the safety features for nascar work." AND HE DID IT IN THE forkING 3. I hope he never wins another race.
 
kcirdor said:
Nascar did the right thing. You can't just wreck people, and the fact that the spotter is telling him in his ear to wreck him.... and he does is all you need to know about "squeezing" and "same place" its all bullshirt subterfuge. "I had to turn left" is actually telling me "I had to try and give him the Dale Earnhardt. I had to make sure the safety features for nascar work." AND HE DID IT IN THE forkING 3. I hope he never wins another race.
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Well, wrecking in Nascar has been a time honored tradition for as long as it's been around. Drivers have been doing this for years. The difference with AD is he not only punted Joey, he then almost immediately right hooked Denny. If all he did was take out Joey, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Nascar hasn't ever suspended anyone for right hooking someone on a short track. Same with punting someone. But two in succession was too much and Nascar made the correct call ro strip the playoffs from both the driver and the owner . And I agree the spotter deserved every bit of his suspension for telling AD to wreck em.
 

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