Todays Presidential "statement of the day".... (1 Viewer)

[efil4stnias]

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/02/28/sot.bush.gas.prices.cnn

The national average right now for unleaded gas is $3.16. Not that it won't happen, but gas prices would have to rise another 27% for it to get to $4 when the cost of crude oil is at an all time high. If you listen to the news conference, he doesn't say that he doesn't know what the cost of gas is, but that he hasn't heard that "experts" predict the prices to go up to $4/gallon.

Again, like him or not, but if you think the existing administration does not know about the price of gas, then it is not me calling you out, its yourself.

So then what you are saying is that you are perfectly fine paying $4 for a gallon of gas, while the current Administration sits back and watches the consequences. Are you at all familiar with any of the ramifications of $4 gas? ( and when I say ramifications, i mean those that will negatively affect the American consumer - hint ) Either you choose not to be involved, or cant be...whatever the case its sad commentary that someone of your age has no general interest in this issue and how it will affect millions, not today, not tomorrow, but months from now. Enjoy that economic stimulus money while you spend it at your local Shell station. ( unless you bike to work of course )

 

[efil4stnias]

Unfortunately not. It hurts me to put $60 in my SUV like it does every other middle class American. It just seems that I am more of a realist than you. Look at the prices of gas in other countries with substantially lower GDP figures.

http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2653

"Gasoline prices in the United States, which have recently hit record highs, are actually much lower than in many countries. Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S.

The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, said a spokesperson for AirInc."

And look what those countires offer thier citizens.....please. And its right there in front of you "GOVERNMENT POLICY"....And who in this country is responsible for "governmental policy"?

You say sarcastically to "please believe what you read in the media" yet are hypocritical when it comes to making your point? odd....

 

[andrew76021]

So then what you are saying is that you are perfectly fine paying $4 for a gallon of gas, while the current Administration sits back and watches the consequences. Are you at all familiar with any of the ramifications of $4 gas? ( and when I say ramifications, i mean those that will negatively affect the American consumer - hint ) Either you choose not to be involved, or cant be...whatever the case its sad commentary that someone of your age has no general interest in this issue and how it will affect millions, not today, not tomorrow, but months from now. Enjoy that economic stimulus money while you spend it at your local Shell station. ( unless you bike to work of course )

So you are saying that when gas is at $4 a gallon, that the effects will be devastating? Right? Any more than gas at $3.25 a gallon versus $2.25 a gallon several years back. Will it change my lifestyle? Probably not. Will it get passed down to other consumer products like milk and bread as it has over the past 8 years. Surely it will.

When did I say I was fine paying $4/gallon for gas? Why would you say that I have no general interest regarding this issue while we are in a discussion about it right now.

I am a realist. You apparently are not. Nothing wrong with that. It just means you overreact to things more easily than I do.

 

[andrew76021]

You say sarcastically to "please believe what you read in the media" yet are hypocritical when it comes to making your point? odd....

I consider myself to be rather comprehensive, but can't figure out what being sarcastic has to do with any point I've made or how it makes me hypocritical.

 

[efil4stnias]

I consider myself to be rather comprehensive, but can't figure out what being sarcastic has to do with any point I've made or how it makes me hypocritical.

your basing your point off something you've read, yet call others' points invalid becasue its something they have read....does that help?

the statement "please belive what you read in the media.Please" suggest that you do not believe in what the media writes and anyone who does is making a mistake.

Hypocrisy (or being a hypocrite) is the act of pretending to oppose a belief or behaviour while holding the same beliefs or behaviours at the same time.

 

[MLU]

Your not the President.

My point exactly.

 

[andrew76021]

your basing your point off something you've read, yet call others' points invalid becasue its something they have read....does that help?

the statement "please belive what you read in the media.Please" suggest that you do not believe in what the media writes and anyone who does is making a mistake.

Hypocrisy (or being a hypocrite) is the act of pretending to oppose a belief or behaviour while holding the same beliefs or behaviours at the same time.

I am basing my points off of FACTS, not someone's opinions. I posted two links that showed factual data about the price of crude oil, gas, and GDPs. These are not opinionated. I also linked the video of Bush discussing the original issue about the cost of gas. This was so that my point could be taken as fact and not from something written by the media.

Your original post was taking what the president said OUT OF CONTEXT to make him look as you wish. His point was not that he didn't know what the price of gas was, but that he had not heard from those who report to him, that the price of gas would soon be at $4/gallon.

Does that makes sense to you? Does that help?

Just curious. How old are you?

 

[blackadder]

I am basing my points off of FACTS, not someone's opinions. I posted two links that showed factual data about the price of crude oil, gas, and GDPs. These are not opinionated. I also linked the video of Bush discussing the original issue about the cost of gas. This was so that my point could be taken as fact and not from something written by the media.

Your original post was taking what the president said OUT OF CONTEXT to make him look as you wish. His point was not that he didn't know what the price of gas was, but that he had not heard from those who report to him, that the price of gas would soon be at $4/gallon.

Does that makes sense to you? Does that help?

Just curious. How old are you?

Easy Karl Rove.

When the price of gas in much of the country is already $3.50+ what individual in his position should show surprise that they will hit $4.

The best interpretation I can give is that he is playing the cheerleader, acting as if that is a surprising thing.

 

[efil4stnias]

I am basing my points off of FACTS, not someone's opinions. I posted two links that showed factual data about the price of crude oil, gas, and GDPs. These are not opinionated. I also linked the video of Bush discussing the original issue about the cost of gas. This was so that my point could be taken as fact and not from something written by the media.

Your original post was taking what the president said OUT OF CONTEXT to make him look as you wish. His point was not that he didn't know what the price of gas was, but that he had not heard from those who report to him, that the price of gas would soon be at $4/gallon.

Does that makes sense to you? Does that help?

Just curious. How old are you?

last post on this subject for me since we can only agree to disagree....It was not taken out of context. He was asked a question regarding the eventual price of gas, and he did not know that anyone was predicting $4 gas. Whether it be from his immediate staff, advisors or family, thats is at best irresponsible for a President responsible for the economic well-being of our country to not have ANY indication of what is to come. I dont care if no one in his inner circle were the ones to actually inform him, and if that is what you are pointing out.

Fact remains that no one informed him and he doest know unless someone tells him? please. So either he didnt know because no one told him or he does know and looks like nothing is being done to address it. Either way, it looks really bad.

And regarding your FACTS, based on areas that a)provide more for thier citizens than we do b) have to have the Crude/Oil shipped in ( costs ) exactly backs up my assertion that this administration is clueless when it comes to doemstic economic issues. Thier current answer- Bail out the Mortgage lenders, print more money. Yeah for everyone.

I am old enough to vote.

 

[TPS]

>>If you think the president of this country doesn't know what the cost of a gallon of gas is,(like him or not) then you shouldn't be writing comments on a public forum.

I listened to the comments directly and don't get any indication that he has any more of a clue what the price of gasoline is per gallon than his dad knew what a barcode scanner at the grocery store was. Sorry Andrew. You're attacking posters on this forum (including some hardcore Republicans that just don't like this Administration) because they have failed to do anything in the public interest (short term) about the price of gasoline. They're in bed with oil companies and oil shieks which you simply cannot deny. Don't forget what the price of a gallon of gas was when they took office, and don't forget specifically that Dick Cheney brought in industry insiders (including debunked and deceased Kenneth Lay of Enron) to 'craft' energy policy. Why do you think big oil executives were the ones in the secret meeting which VP Cheney still steadfastly refuses to release any information about - how to help the American consumer? Get real. People see the effects from paying > $3.00/gallon. It hurts me as much as it hurts anyone because my daily commute is over 100 miles. I fill up either 2 or 3 times a week and gas isn't really something I enjoy paying extra for or even $600-700 a month (possibly as much as $800 if it goes up to 4.00/gallon).

Having said all that, I realize that the bottom line on pricing has to do with speculator, barons and worldwide demand. At the same time, the administration has done little to help ordinary Americans with the price of fuel. It might even be said that the screwjob played on California a couple of years ago had many in the administration and their oil-soaked friends laughing behind the scenes.

You're a long time poster and usually a good one. But I'm not sure what argument you're making here. You are calling others partisan dingbats. Knowing the skill and intelligence of many on the forum, I believe that is a charge better left unsaid. Your main opponent in this debate, efil4stnias is hardly some liberal Democrat.

TPS

 

[andrew76021]

When the price of gas in much of the country is already $3.50+ what individual in his position should show surprise that they will hit $4.
QUOTE]

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

The average price of gas is actually $3.164/gallon today based off of 86,000 gas stations surveyed by AAA. I am sure you could go to a boat dock and pay $5/gallon so there are obviously going to be people paying more than that somewhere in the U.S.

 

[CT Saints Fan]

Easy Karl Rove.

When the price of gas in much of the country is already $3.50+ what individual in his position should show surprise that they will hit $4.

The best interpretation I can give is that he is playing the cheerleader, acting as if that is a surprising thing.

I thought a post above said that the average was $3.16? Or are we now holding the president responsible to know what the ACTUAL price is at EACH & EVERY gas station? Because we can show an individual gas station in California that has $3.99/gal., and therefore that equals reality. Right?

 

[andrew76021]

>>If you think the president of this country doesn't know what the cost of a gallon of gas is,(like him or not) then you shouldn't be writing comments on a public forum.

I listened to the comments directly and don't get any indication that he has any more of a clue what the price of gasoline is per gallon than his dad knew what a barcode scanner at the grocery store was. Sorry Andrew. You're attacking posters on this forum (including some hardcore Republicans that just don't like this Administration) because they have failed to do anything in the public interest (short term) about the price of gasoline. They're in bed with oil companies and oil shieks which you simply cannot deny. Don't forget what the price of a gallon of gas was when they took office, and don't forget specifically that Dick Cheney brought in industry insiders (including debunked and deceased Kenneth Lay of Enron) to 'craft' energy policy. Why do you think big oil executives were the ones in the secret meeting which VP Cheney still steadfastly refuses to release any information about - how to help the American consumer? Get real. People see the effects from paying > $3.00/gallon. It hurts me as much as it hurts anyone because my daily commute is over 100 miles. I fill up either 2 or 3 times a week and gas isn't really something I enjoy paying extra for or even $600-700 a month (possibly as much as $800 if it goes up to 4.00/gallon).

Having said all that, I realize that the bottom line on pricing has to do with speculator, barons and worldwide demand. At the same time, the administration has done little to help ordinary Americans with the price of fuel. It might even be said that the screwjob played on California a couple of years ago had many in the administration and their oil-soaked friends laughing behind the scenes.

You're a long time poster and usually a good one. But I'm not sure what argument you're making here. You are calling others partisan dingbats. Knowing the skill and intelligence of many on the forum, I believe that is a charge better left unsaid. Your main opponent in this debate, efil4stnias is hardly some liberal Democrat.

TPS

It just gets old looking at the same administration bashing posts everytime he opens his mouth. Kin to the "I posted the WE SIGNED XXX" first on the SSF. My appologies to anyone that took the term "dingbat" to heart. It was initially just a light-hearted jab at the general posting public.

 

[TPS]

>>It just gets old looking at the same administration bashing posts everytime he opens his mouth. Kin to the "I posted the WE SIGNED XXX" first on the SSF. My appologies to anyone that took the term "dingbat" to heart. It was initially just a light-hearted jab at the general posting public.

Understood. I feel the same way. It wasn't too different under Clinton either and probably our next president will get his share of heat as well. I only knock this Administration for what they deserve to get knocked for. If they do something right, I man up to that too. Not everyone makes those distinctions as we have become a country of citizens that almost pulls against whoever we didn't vote for. I don't really get it either, but I guess it's just part of our competitive spirit as Americans.

TPS

 

[blackadder]

When the price of gas in much of the country is already $3.50+ what individual in his position should show surprise that they will hit $4.
QUOTE]

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

The average price of gas is actually $3.164/gallon today based off of 86,000 gas stations surveyed by AAA. I am sure you could go to a boat dock and pay $5/gallon so there are obviously going to be people paying more than that somewhere in the U.S.

Depends on the mix you are talking about. $3.16 would be regular.

I just paid $3.44 last night. If you're engine requires premium you are closer to $3.50.

The man is from an oil background. His father is supposed to be "an old China hand." If he's got any basic knowledge of his industry and the forces in the world that shape demand for its products he shouldn't be taken aback by the idea of $4.00 gas.

The only thing that's going to stop it is if the slowdown turns into a deep or prolonged recession that cuts demand in the short run. But its coming sooner or later due to demand from China, India, Brazil, Russia and other booming developing countries and because the dollar is tanking.

We are too far yet from a major impact from alternative fuels or increased efficiency.