Where is Deuce Windham? (1 Viewer)

[zatsnzapps]

Not bent out of shape, I think most people are just saying that as Saints fan that stupid comment from DW turned them away from him.

Exactly. To add to it:

He was (or is, I don't know) trying to be an analyst for a living. Like, a professional. That comment was the exact opposite of professional.

He used Keenan Lewis. He didn't use Lance Moore or Joe Horn or Marques Colston. Keenan had a public battle with the organization about his injury/surgery and he went off on Instagram about a number of things. There's going to be more of an agitated response from some of us when he says Drew should go hang out with someone that doesn't have the best reputation around here.

To be clear, I don't stress about it, but I also don't (and won't) support someone who immediately throws the face of the city and the franchise under the bus and public fire just because of one lost game.

 

[CowtownSaint]

I don’t care what he said or when he said it. It doesn’t effect my life a bit.

Then what’s your business here?

 

[Xeno]

Exactly. To add to it:

He was (or is, I don't know) trying to be an analyst for a living. Like, a professional. That comment was the exact opposite of professional.

He used Keenan Lewis. He didn't use Lance Moore or Joe Horn or Marques Colston. Keenan had a public battle with the organization about his injury/surgery and he went off on Instagram about a number of things. There's going to be more of an agitated response from some of us when he says Drew should go hang out with someone that doesn't have the best reputation around here.

To be clear, I don't stress about it, but I also don't (and won't) support someone who immediately throws the face of the city and the franchise under the bus and public fire just because of one lost game.

And yet people like Shannon Sharpe, Skip Bayless.. Well, basically all of the analysts regularly say far more inflammatory things. You're upset because it was about your guy. It's the nature of the business. And he is a professional. He gets paid to put out a high quality product and he delivers.

The fact is Drew Brees hurt the team in his last game as a Saint. There's a legitimate argument he hurt the team by not leaving after 2018 when the decline was already becoming apparent. His dead cap money would already be gone if he had. I see a lot of people say, "for the team," when we're talking about a player they may not particularly care for but when it's one that they do suddenly we should bend over backwards for that player.

And to be clear, outside of the football world, Drew Brees is not the face of New Orleans. A lot of people even in the city, who don't care about football, only know his name because the Saints are everywhere in New Orleans.

 

[Thunderchild]

Respect for Drew should go well beyond his actions on the football field. He should truly be respected for the off the field activities that Drew was responsible for in New Orleans.

The way that Windham chose to disparage Drew is what bothered me. There are many ways to express his sentiments that could get his point across without that level of disrespect for an individual who is a real hero, not just an athlete, to many New Orleans residents.

Windham, OTOH, is just a wannabe analyst whose claim to fame is attendance to a scouting school that any of us could attend if we had the cash in hand.

Those comments by Windham were neither necessary nor appropriate. What he can provide to football fans (simply the opinion of another football fan who took a class) can easily be found elsewhere in the football world in various levels of competence.

I'll choose to pay attention to other analysts. I have limited time and see no reason to waste it on Windham. If others feel different, that's fine. To each his own.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm sorry, but if that's your bar for disrespect over an athlete who actively hurt his team in his last start then all I can say is get over it.

I was kinda with you until this one
But this is an incredibly bad take - both as game analysis and legacy analysis

 

[zatsnzapps]

And yet people like Shannon Sharpe, Skip Bayless.. Well, basically all of the analysts regularly say far more inflammatory things. You're upset because it was about your guy. It's the nature of the business. And he is a professional. He gets paid to put out a high quality product and he delivers.

The fact is Drew Brees hurt the team in his last game as a Saint. There's a legitimate argument he hurt the team by not leaving after 2018 when the decline was already becoming apparent. His dead cap money would already be gone if he had. I see a lot of people say, "for the team," when we're talking about a player they may not particularly care for but when it's one that they do suddenly we should bend over backwards for that player.

And to be clear, outside of the football world, Drew Brees is not the face of New Orleans. A lot of people even in the city, who don't care about football, only know his name because the Saints are everywhere in New Orleans.

I usually am seeing things right along with you, so this is one of the few times that we disagree, and that's cool.

One thing that I have to clarify (again): I'm not upset. I have much bigger things in life to direct my worry toward, and he doesn't even remotely come close to making the cut. However, I do have a choice of who I support and who I don't, and my choice is to not support him because of this.

I also disagree about Drew being the face of the city. I have somewhat of an advantage on you in that I don't live in the state any longer. I get lots of people that stop me in stores when I'm wearing Saints gear to mention Drew Brees, and many aren't football fans. He's one of those athletes that transcends sports because of all his humanitarian efforts, especially in NOLA. Not to mention, I don't think there's a product to hawk that he's ever turned down, so he's everywhere on TV, too.

Anyway, as far as Shannon Sharpe and Skip Bayless, I think if you were to compare any analyst or writer worth their salt to either one of those guys, I think they'd be highly offended. I can just about guarantee that Nick Underhill would be - he's great at what he does, and it's not close to those guys. Those guys are essentially the shock jocks of football that are given their points of view to debate, but I know you know that.

 

[Nolan]

I'm sorry, but if that's your bar for disrespect over an athlete who actively hurt his team in his last start then all I can say is get over it.

That's just what kind of fan you are, then. Short sighted, flavor of the week type.

Ohhhh you "care more about our team and our success more than one individual"... how noble of you!!! yeaaaahhhhh.. about that... Maybe you forgot what it was like before he got here, but without Drew you wouldn't have the sense of entitlement that you do, with that flush him down the toilet and onto the next mentality.

Given what he did for this city and this team from 2006-present, he deserved 1 last go even with the state of his arm.

Like I said.. short sighted, flavor of the week. It was beyond disrespectful and its tacked on to the many reasons that no one takes that guy seriously. There's nothing special or even good about his videos and analysis.

Y'all can sit on that take. It'll be lonely.

 

[JollyHiggler]

I might have been more bothered by it had I not seen the second part of the tweet (literally posted seconds afterwards):




I just saw it as an attempt at humour as we all watched the wheels finally fall off our season. Not really to my taste, but surely not worthy of people still trying to cancel him 10 months later?!

 

[MV2]

Yes.

People around here are sensitive.

Way too sensitive.

 

[Xeno]

That's just what kind of fan you are, then. Short sighted, flavor of the week type.

Ohhhh you "care more about our team and our success more than one individual"... how noble of you!!! yeaaaahhhhh.. about that... Maybe you forgot what it was like before he got here, but without Drew you wouldn't have the sense of entitlement that you do, with that flush him down the toilet and onto the next mentality.

Given what he did for this city and this team from 2006-present, he deserved 1 last go even with the state of his arm.

Like I said.. short sighted, flavor of the week. It was beyond disrespectful and its tacked on to the many reasons that no one takes that guy seriously. There's nothing special or even good about his videos and analysis.

Y'all can sit on that take. It'll be lonely.

This is the definition of talking out both sides of your mouth. Don't say you care about the team's overall success if you're willing to mortgage it for one player's feelings, no matter who that player is.

It's possible the believe Drew Brees did great things here and also overstayed his usefulness as a player. Giving up a year or two of cap space well after that player's usefulness has run out is shortsightedness. That kind of cap space keeps a guy like Trey Hendrickson here or lets us hold onto Emmanuel Sanders so we aren't stuck with #3/#4 receivers as our #1s.

 

[Xeno]

I usually am seeing things right along with you, so this is one of the few times that we disagree, and that's cool.

One thing that I have to clarify (again): I'm not upset. I have much bigger things in life to direct my worry toward, and he doesn't even remotely come close to making the cut. However, I do have a choice of who I support and who I don't, and my choice is to not support him because of this.

I also disagree about Drew being the face of the city. I have somewhat of an advantage on you in that I don't live in the state any longer. I get lots of people that stop me in stores when I'm wearing Saints gear to mention Drew Brees, and many aren't football fans. He's one of those athletes that transcends sports because of all his humanitarian efforts, especially in NOLA. Not to mention, I don't think there's a product to hawk that he's ever turned down, so he's everywhere on TV, too.

Anyway, as far as Shannon Sharpe and Skip Bayless, I think if you were to compare any analyst or writer worth their salt to either one of those guys, I think they'd be highly offended. I can just about guarantee that Nick Underhill would be - he's great at what he does, and it's not close to those guys. Those guys are essentially the shock jocks of football that are given their points of view to debate, but I know you know that.

I'm not trying to build any animosity or anything. Again, I was one of the people ready for Drew to leave two years ago and I've never hid from that. It has nothing to do with what he accomplished before or how he is as a person. It has everything to do with the continued success of the team.

 

[kcirdor]

Unfortunately with his youtube gone we can't link to his excellent film analysis that he puts out multiple times a week.

I watched one of his film 'analysis' just to check him out a while back. It seemed to me like it was mostly guess work. Then I saw a Baldy Breakdown of the same film that pretty much confirmed that his analysis isn't at a professional level.

 

[zatsnzapps]

I'm not trying to build any animosity or anything. Again, I was one of the people ready for Drew to leave two years ago and I've never hid from that. It has nothing to do with what he accomplished before or how he is as a person. It has everything to do with the continued success of the team.

I get it - and that makes sense. I wasn't in that number, but I get why some (including you) were.

We all know that one of the mantras around here is that it isn't so much what you say, it's how you say it. The things that some of us find unprofessional about what he said include when he said it, how he said it, where he said it, and who he told him to go join.

Had he said something like you said above, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I get that he was emotional and probably hammered, but that kind of ish can't be done by someone that has professional aspirations.

 

[BelowZero]

That's just what kind of fan you are, then. Short sighted, flavor of the week type.

Ohhhh you "care more about our team and our success more than one individual"... how noble of you!!! yeaaaahhhhh.. about that... Maybe you forgot what it was like before he got here, but without Drew you wouldn't have the sense of entitlement that you do, with that flush him down the toilet and onto the next mentality.

Given what he did for this city and this team from 2006-present, he deserved 1 last go even with the state of his arm.

You yourself are being narrow-sighted, though, so I honestly can't see why you're calling someone short sighted. I get it, to many Brees is the savior of the Saints and NO, and he'll always have the legacy. Problem is with that is that it makes people forgetful, or perhaps better said, makes people put on rose-colored lenses. The 2006-2016 teams were very different to what we have now. In the last 4 seasons, any game-manager could've taken the Saints to the playoffs with the teams that they put on the field. Anyone with a slight touch more arm strength (so defenses can't sit on short passes) is walking this team into one or more Super Bowl(s). I mean, do you ever notice how the blame of those playoff losses always gets forced onto someone else? That's called denial. Short of the Vikings WC game (and even then he did), Brees has played an active role in every playoff loss this team has suffered.

2017 DIv: 25/40, 294 yds, 3TD, 2INT. Held scoreless in the first half. Who gets blamed for a game that shouldn't've been close to begin with? Marcus Williams.
2018 NFCCG: 26/40, 249 yds, 2TD, 1INT. Had plenty of chances to score, defense held down a dominant offense 23 points, and even got the ball in OT. A game-losing interception. Who gets blamed? The Refs.
2020 Div: 19/34, 134 yds, 1TD, 3INT. Once again, defense shuts down Brady and that offense. Brees continues to spiral into 3 picks, and somehow Jared Cook gets the flack for his second fumble of the season. This game was lost by Brees, not Cook.

Now, how can you look at those stats (plus film) and not say Brees was the deciding factor in all of those games? Call it short-sighted, flavor of the week, or whatever pejorative you'd like to use for someone who doesn't agree. But if Brees walks after yet another playoff failure in 2019, Brady is a Saint and the Saints are likely holding their second Lombardi and possibly a third (while also likely keeping guys like T-Rex, Jackrabbit, and most importantly, Sanders, which is looking like a huge loss now). Is that short-sighted? Nope. It's called being a realist.

 

[Xeno]

I watched one of his film 'analysis' just to check him out a while back. It seemed to me like it was mostly guess work. Then I saw a Baldy Breakdown of the same film that pretty much confirmed that his analysis isn't at a professional level.

Baldy never discusses specifics. He talks about a particular player making particular plays in very particular situations. I love his breakdowns but he really isn't getting into the nitty gritty.

Anyone actually breaking down X's and O's and game tape is always going to be guessing. Unless you actually have the Saints playbook in front of you then you don't know if receivers X, Y and Z were supposed to run A, B and C or if the defense was in Cover 3 man or Cover 1 or Cover 2 man or Cover 4 man. That's why we use generalizations like "single high" or "two deep."