Yeah ok it’s one game but we need to re-sign Chase Young and Payton Turner (1 Viewer)

[livefromDC]

Currently, you don’t resign either one of them. They have done next to nothing all year. Let the season play out completely, then ask the question

Sweet, okay. Then what's the plan? Free agency?

1. Upgrades in FA are going to be more expensive. Much more expensive.

2. Effective replacements in FA (same output) are as expensive or much more for pass rushers.

3. Take a chance on a FA coming off of a rookie contract. Vikings took an expensive chance on Davenport. Upside side and youth is still expensive.

Draft?
Yes, you could hit on a DE, but if you don't then it's the same issue we're seeing on the offensive line. Too much risk to rely on solely.

I say cut Foskey loose who has shown nothing. Save your money and keep Young, Turner. Draft BPA every round.

 

[SweetT]

Sweet, okay. Then what's the plan? Free agency?

1. Upgrades in FA are going to be more expensive. Much more expensive.

2. Effective replacements in FA (same output) are as expensive or much more for pass rushers.

3. Take a chance on a FA coming off of a rookie contract. Vikings took an expensive chance on Davenport. Upside side and youth is still expensive.

Draft?
Yes, you could hit on a DE, but if you don't then it's the same issue we're seeing on the offensive line. Too much risk to rely on solely.

I say cut Foskey loose who has shown nothing. Save your money and keep Young, Turner. Draft BPA every round.

You don’t keep underperforming players just bc of numbers. Plus, we don’t even know who the next HC will be, with also not knowing who the DC will be or defensive scheme. Are we all just assuming that we will run the same defense?

 

[Saint Droopy]

Based off one game? Sheesh.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

You don’t keep underperforming players just bc of numbers. Plus, we don’t even know who the next HC will be, with also not knowing who the DC will be or defensive scheme. Are we all just assuming that we will run the same defense?

Man watching the cowboys game and seeing Baun i'm starting to wonder if the players are underperforming, or the scheme like the whole Def need to be looked at. I never seen so many players go from bench warmers to solid starters since DA been coordinator. Ellis, henderson, Baun even omymata looks decent

 

[Snakehead]

Would be a matter of chances to upgrade the position

The sack by PT looked like the ot fell down

That's called a reverse pancake.

 

[SweetT]

I can see by some of the comments, that the bar has been set really low.

 

[Hedon James]

I don't think he has to win out. He just needs to get really good results, win the locker room, coach up the team and build a positive culture.

I don't think he needs to win out either. I'm REALLY liking Rizzi's energy....reminding me of CSP...but not ready to remove the "Interim" tag either. He's got an 8-game audition, which is a LOT more than the Saints will get in order to evaluate any other candidate(s). If Rizz goes 4-4, that will be a marked improvement from the 2-7 stench from the first 9 games. But DA went 7-10 and 9-8....so Rizz going 4-4 looks too much like DA results, IMO. If Rizz can go 5-3 or better, and the team continues to show the grit we saw yesterday, I'm fine giving him a 3-4 year contract to coach the Saints. Big IF...

Rizz won't be one of the "hot" candidates this coaching cycle, but those coaches are going to have their pick of options; and I don't see the Saints job as being attractive enough to land one of those "hot" candidates. And landing one of those candidates is no guarantee of HC success....perhaps even a redux of the DA situation; where a good to great coordinator doesn't necessarily make a great HC. I think we can avoid that 50/50 scenario if Rizz can go 5-3 or better with the roster we currently have. And if he can hit that benchmark, or exceed it, I think it's because he'll have demonstrated that "it" factor in a HC. Right now, it sure looks like it...but the combination of circumstances COULD be conspiring to conjure up immediate results. Is that just a "rush" in the moment? Or is it sustainable? 5-3 or better is the deciding benchmark, IMO.

 

[bigearl]

Yeah, Chase Young isn’t signing for less than the 13M that he signed for this year. Thats average salary for an above average-good DE. 13M isn’t breaking the bank for a young quality DE.

I can see Chase finishing strong to ensure he secures a guaranteed floor of the 2024 salary. It’s possible that he re-signs to the same 13M/1 yr deal for another shot at putting up big #s to get near the top AAV for DEs.

To your point, the Vikings signed Marcus Davenport last year for $13M. Chase Young is getting $15M from somebody next year... MINIMUM.

And Turner... I would expect to sign soemwhere for $10M - on a prove it deal... kind of like Davenport to the Vikes last year.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Both shouldn’t break the bank and we need someone at edge besides Granderson.

Chase is a former superstar player but he seems humble enough to stick around especially since the funk has cleared.

Turner just decided to show up and i hope he gets better but he should be cheap to sign. And then we can still address d line in the draft.

I doubt that Rizzy gets the head coach job unless the team wins out and/or makes the playoffs.

It will depend a lot on the details of how we perform and how the team is managed week to week.

So far Rizzy was able to get more performance out of an underperforming d line. I think it’s because DA is a secondary guy and that was his focus. D line requires adrenaline and rizzy has plenty of it.

Neither just “decided to show up” or get good. We stopped running all throws damn stunts and games until after we allowed them to rush direct for a while.

Once they were able to set up their pass rush moves then they started added stunts and blitzing

We also quit doing the “simulated” pressures and just went w/ more 4 man rushes

 

[St.Dan]

Right now, I'd say yes to Young -- based on what I've seen this season -- and mostly a no to Turner. The body of work just isn't there for Turner. But as other posters have said, the scheme might well have been hindering the overall pass rush. All we can do is continue watching how the defensive performance plays out.

 

[meily]

What has Peyton Turner done that we should resign him?

If Turner is resigned its to be a depth piece and because there is familiarity with him, but it will not be a big investment deal, probably a 2 year deal.

Young is gone, he would cost to much to keep and he's has not had the kind of impact that would suggest the Saints have to retain him because losing him will someone weaken an already unproductive position.

 

[Covington Saint]

Payton Turner is worth a small risk to keep him here if its at a right price for him to continue establishing himself in the league by both ability to stay on the field and put up more on field tape and production. He does not warrant true free agent value due to his inability to be relied upon health wise. But, similar to davenport, he plays good ball when on the field at times.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

One change they made on the D-line besides Brian Young taking over for Grantham was they gave a mandate to the DE’s to get to the quarterback (funny right?)

Apparently before with all the exotic stuff they were trying the players didn’t like it.

I think Allen was tired of getting killed by running QBs and started to employ the same rush techniques against immobile QBs like Cousins. I'm not sure yesterday is the start of something better unfortunately.

 

[Domeination]

One change they made on the D-line besides Brian Young taking over for Grantham was they gave a mandate to the DE’s to get to the quarterback (funny right?)

Apparently before with all the exotic stuff they were trying the players didn’t like it.

Per Underhill from Khalen Saunders and Cam Jordan, Allen was more interested in simulated pressures than real pressures. Of course, bringing a bunch of guys to the line and then dropping most back into coverage while rushing different guys from different positions on different plays was supposed to confuse the QB, but all it did was prevent the D linemen from pinning their ears back and getting to the QB. A Saints D lineman wasn't able to get enough reps against the same O lineman so that he could set up the O lineman with different moves after bull rushing a few times. Instead, too many guys were being moved around or platooned in and out. There was no continuity. Apparently, Allen never understood that you have to establish your physical presence first before you can get exotic with pressure packages.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Who the Saints can afford to re-sign is going to be highly dependent on a couple of factors, the first being the retirements of Ramcyzk and potentially Jordan, and how much of their GTD dollars they pay back. The next being how the rest of the league evaluates the talent and potential of Young and Turner.

Moving Lattimore helps with draft ammo and accelerating the Saints getting the cap in the green sooner, but it doesn't help their cap space next season.

A strong finish to the year for Turner and Young would be great for them, but terrible for the Saints.