Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (5 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Well...opinions change. The number may have gone up or down...but we don't know because physicians or universally forced to have the vaccine or lose employment, so all we can go off of were the initial polls.

That's not how Medscape conducts their polls. But you are right that there is a risk for bias. But bias works both ways...you have people who are very passionate about this topic on both sides of the aisle. And honestly, I know enough healthcare providers to say that I don't think that the numbers of the study are too far off. As for why news outlets didn't pick it up...it might be because it's restricted access. Again...people are having trouble google ninja'ing there way to the article and I'm literally posting the link to the article. Essentially, the only people who would comment and make the media aware of the poll, are physicians who have Medscape...but very few, if any, would do that. So it's our little secret.

Thanks for responding

30% is not an insignificant number especially when it goes against what most people would assume.

Even with restricted access, I'm surprised it didn't get out, if the number is accurate it'd be a big story and all the medical talking heads on TV would have to address it

If 30% of doctors thought that 6 feet was far too short a distance to stop the spread of Covid, that would be news

If 30% of doctors refused to eat broccoli that would be news

With the anti-vax crowd saying all kinds of anti vax conspiracy theories - poll results like this should be manna from heaven to them

 

[itztime]

Only anecdotal but working from the west to the east coast in hospitals the tone on these Covid specific threads versus the community who lives and breathes it is two different worlds. The majority of the providers who we sit and chat with week in/out have a laissez fair approach and are very genuine on respectful of peoples decisions. I never seen or heard a mention of hostility for those who go against the recommended grain but not saying those don't exist but they are the minority in that medical field. Some would be shocked what they see behind closed doors once the public is closed out, its almost a "who cares" attitude, this is life now, while looking through both sides of the glass.

 

[SWJJ]

Only anecdotal but working from the west to the east coast in hospitals the tone on these Covid specific threads versus the community who lives and breathes it is two different worlds. The majority of the providers who we sit and chat with week in/out have a laissez fair approach and are very genuine on respectful of peoples decisions. I never seen or heard a mention of hostility for those who go against the recommended grain but not saying those don't exist but they are the minority in that medical field. Some would be shocked what they see behind closed doors once the public is closed out, its almost a "who cares" attitude, this is life now, while looking through both sides of the glass.

To piggy back your point somewhat, compassion fatigue is a thing I am seeing and hearing more about from my MD/RN friends as well. People who I never would have thought to take such positions now feel like people who refuse vaccines should be placed behind people who got vaccines when it comes to resource limited treatments (ICU Beds/Ventilators/Monoclonal Antibodies) and they have lost professional respect for practitioners they feel "are willfully ignorant" or in other's word's "put politics before science."

 

[sammymvpknight]

Thanks for responding

30% is not an insignificant number especially when it goes against what most people would assume.

Even with restricted access, I'm surprised it didn't get out, if the number is accurate it'd be a big story and all the medical talking heads on TV would have to address it

If 30% of doctors thought that 6 feet was far too short a distance to stop the spread of Covid, that would be news

If 30% of doctors refused to eat broccoli that would be news

With the anti-vax crowd saying all kinds of anti vax conspiracy theories - poll results like this should be manna from heaven to them

It's a poll...so 30% doesn't mean 30% on the dot, but I'm with you that it's not an insignificant number. Even if it's 15%...that's also not an insignificant number. It would mean that physicians are more likely to recommend the vax for adults than their own children (and I'd hope the children of others). It's not incredibly surprising, and I know a number of non-physicians who are vaccinated but are waiting to vaccinate their children. So the results shouldn't be shocking (or highly disputed).

 

[dtc]

It's a poll...so 30% doesn't mean 30% on the dot, but I'm with you that it's not an insignificant number. Even if it's 15%...that's also not an insignificant number. It would mean that physicians are more likely to recommend the vax for adults than their own children (and I'd hope the children of others). It's not incredibly surprising, and I know a number of non-physicians who are vaccinated but are waiting to vaccinate their children. So the results shouldn't be shocking (or highly disputed).

The date of that poll seems to have been prior to approval or very near when children that age were approved. THat might have an impact on results.

The nature of the polling could also impact the results in that it may have attracted those who wanted to voice their opinions and those may have been more likely to be against vaccinating in general or specifically children.

I asked earlier for you to share. I hadn't expected this whole thread to become another butthurt thread, but here we are.

 

[Saint_Ward]

This whole medscape poll argument is seemongly causing too many folks to be very pedantic.

Sammy always said it was an informal poll, via registered users. It was simply to make the point (if memory serves) that physicians and other medical professionals have different views about the vaccine for themselves, for adults, and for children. The risk calculus is different for different age groups and health levels. I think that is a simple and fair point.

You can be overwhelmingly for something, but context always matters.

For example. I'd say all of us are overwhelmingly for the Saints to win games. But, you may find more folks hesitant about winning next week, squeaking into the playoffs (depending on SF), so that our 2022 draft position doesn't move far for a potentially meaningless playoff game. Context matters.

I don't want to dive into the math, but they dug into the numbers and said 30% of physicians with kids that age.. so, the % that said it didn't apply were removed, and the remaining answers we re normalized with less participants. That would increase the %.

The articles talking about pediatricians is talking about the normal childhood vaccines, and if you look closely, one mentioned the poll was from 2012, despite being a 2020 article....

Can we move on?

 

[SWJJ]

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This whole medscape poll argument is seemongly causing too many folks to be very pedantic.

Sammy always said it was an informal poll, via registered users. It was simply to make the point (if memory serves) that physicians and other medical professionals have different views about the vaccine for themselves, for adults, and for children. The risk calculus is different for different age groups and health levels. I think that is a simple and fair point.

You can be overwhelmingly for something, but context always matters.

For example. I'd say all of us are overwhelmingly for the Saints to win games. But, you may find more folks hesitant about winning next week, squeaking into the playoffs (depending on SF), so that our 2022 draft position doesn't move far for a potentially meaningless playoff game. Context matters.

I don't want to dive into the math, but they dug into the numbers and said 30% of physicians with kids that age.. so, the % that said it didn't apply were removed, and the remaining answers we re normalized with less participants. That would increase the %.

The articles talking about pediatricians is talking about the normal childhood vaccines, and if you look closely, one mentioned the poll was from 2012, despite being a 2020 article....

Can we move on?

I don’t know. I obviously can’t think. I said the peds was pre-covid, I wasn’t trying to prove any points with that, just said that’s what my search was yielding. He asked me to post them so I did. Maybe reread the whole exchange.

 

[SWJJ]

Also asking for a source when he makes an absolutely eye popping claim is not being pedantic.

 

[Saint_Ward]

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I don’t know. I obviously can’t think. I said the peds was pre-covid, I wasn’t trying to prove any points with that, just said that’s what my search was yielding. He asked me to post them so I did. Maybe reread the whole exchange.

OK. Well, I'm busy again, so I'll take your word on that.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Also asking for a source when he makes an absolutely eye popping claim is not being pedantic.

That wasn't the pedantic part.

 

[SWJJ]

That wasn't the pedantic part.

The poll was the “super-sceret doctors only” source for his highly questionable “30% of doctors won’t give their own children the vaccine” position Sammy MD was making.

 

[sammymvpknight]

This whole medscape poll argument is seemongly causing too many folks to be very pedantic.

Sammy always said it was an informal poll, via registered users. It was simply to make the point (if memory serves) that physicians and other medical professionals have different views about the vaccine for themselves, for adults, and for children. The risk calculus is different for different age groups and health levels. I think that is a simple and fair point.

You can be overwhelmingly for something, but context always matters.

For example. I'd say all of us are overwhelmingly for the Saints to win games. But, you may find more folks hesitant about winning next week, squeaking into the playoffs (depending on SF), so that our 2022 draft position doesn't move far for a potentially meaningless playoff game. Context matters.

I don't want to dive into the math, but they dug into the numbers and said 30% of physicians with kids that age.. so, the % that said it didn't apply were removed, and the remaining answers we re normalized with less participants. That would increase the %.

The articles talking about pediatricians is talking about the normal childhood vaccines, and if you look closely, one mentioned the poll was from 2012, despite being a 2020 article....

Can we move on?

Thank you. You summarized the reason why I listed the poll article in the first place, but it was lost. Patience and tact aren't my strengthens...that I acknowledge. But premed guy pissed me off. Dude immediately came out and called BS on my statement. Then asked me to post my support...I did it. He said he didn't have access to my article (a lie...he was hoping I either couldn't present it, or was just hoping to waste even more of my time). So I spent my valuable time writing out the findings of the poll. Then...he has access to the poll and says that the results of the poll are BS. I'm sorry...but I don't have time for this. If someone wants me to share information with you...I'm more than happy to do that. But don't insult me and then waste my time with the hopes of getting into an argument. He's joined my blocked list...so it won't be a problem moving forward.

 

[SWJJ]

Thank you. You summarized the reason why I listed the poll article in the first place, but it was lost. Patience and tact aren't my strengthens...that I acknowledge. But premed guy pissed me off. Dude immediately came out and called BS on my statement. Then asked me to post my support...I did it. He said he didn't have access to my article (a lie...he was hoping I either couldn't present it, or was just hoping to waste even more of my time). So I spent my valuable time writing out the findings of the poll. Then...he has access to the poll and says that the results of the poll are BS. I'm sorry...but I don't have time for this. If someone wants me to share information with you...I'm more than happy to do that. But don't insult me and then waste my time with the hopes of getting into an argument. He's joined my blocked list...so it won't be a problem moving forward.

It’s a factually unproven statement that potentially discourages parents from having their children vaccinated based on made up numbers.

 

[SWJJ]

It’s a factually unproven statement that potentially discourages parents from having their children vaccinated based on made up numbers.

And you are supposed to be a medical doctor and I feel that’s irresponsible.

 

[SWJJ]

You can read the thread all the way through At no point did I insult him. As a matter of fact he insulted me.