Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (6 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

I have stated this before but I’ll say it again. I work in a very large global CRO. My colleagues (70k globally) and clients (also both National and international) range from global regulatory experts, Md’s of every specialty, immunologist, biomedical engineers, stem cell experts of varying kinds, toxicologists, biostatisticians, and the list goes on.

Being a doctor is simply not enough for me. You could have graduated decades ago and as you said, specialty might be something where the person has not worked in a large multi-discipline healthcare setting and haven’t really kept up with things like this in their continuing education.

There’s not a single person in my company that I interact with nor on my clients’ side that are anti-vaccine. My friends and colleagues who work in the industry for other CRO’s say the same thing.

I previously worked for a hospital system for a decade. I know many doctors and nurses on the acute care side of this thing. Not a single one of them is anti-vaccination.

I’m not saying they don’t exist but they are the outliers and not 1/3 of the total.

I believe all of my colleagues and clients who study and do this for a living every day of their lives who all work with the various subject matter expertise and have peer reviews of the science and practices over some random doctor.

Not a personal jab on Sammy but to me, he’s just supposedly some doctor and in my world doesn’t mean too much as the expertise goes far beyond a doctor.

Also, people can claim anything on the internet. I mean who knows if @superchuck500 is really a lawyer

Lastly, before anyone says anything, I recognize my experience is purely anecdotal and not a representation of any formal data.

Just to male it clear, Sammy has clearly stated he's not anti-vax and docs of all kinds overwhelmingly support vaccines. Just that he believes that the poll showing that around 30% don't necessarily support it for kids.

I'm not sure how accurate the poll is though. That's a different issue.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I guess that's my fault. You didn't mention me by name, but you referred to the article about Pediatricians refusing patients that are unvaxxed, and I posted that, so I assumed you were talking about me.

I don't think real well, so it's no wonder I didn't get into medical school, and no wonder I am wrong about you aiming those comments at me.

Things seem fair and equal here.

this is nice.

Let's take this to PM.

 

[SWJJ]

Let's take this to PM.

 

[LonghornSaint]

I agree with what CCS wrote about giving more or less weight to the opinions of doctors based on their specialty. In those lines, the Medscape article states "The Medscape poll, fielded from November 3 to November 11, included 325 physicians, 793 nurses/APRNs, and 151 pharmacists." so I think it is worth pointing out that it does not breakdown the votes by specialty, and that those numbers are very limited to just those Medscape users who happened to login and choose participate during that timeframe.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

Just to male it clear, Sammy has clearly stated he's not anti-vax and docs of all kinds overwhelmingly support vaccines. Just that he believes that the poll showing that around 30% don't necessarily support it for kids.

I'm not sure how accurate the poll is though. That's a different issue.

I know he didn’t. I am merely pointing out that I am not believing some random 60 year old podiatrist who is against the vaccine.

 

[DaveXA]

I know he didn’t. I am merely pointing out that I am not believing some random 60 year old podiatrist who is against the vaccine.

Yeah, I agree. Not all docs are created equal or equally trustworthy.

Ultimately, we all have to do our own due diligence to some degree.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

I agree with what CCS wrote about giving more or less weight to the opinions of doctors based on their specialty. In those lines, the Medscape article states "The Medscape poll, fielded from November 3 to November 11, included 325 physicians, 793 nurses/APRNs, and 151 pharmacists." so I think it is worth pointing out that it does not breakdown the votes by specialty, and that those numbers are very limited to just those Medscape users who happened to login and choose participate during that timeframe.

I’ve worked with a LOT of nurses over the years. There are some brilliant and very astute RN’s out there.

I have also worked with a lot of not very smart nurses who also have had some very questionable mental health statuses & ethics

 

[DaveXA]

I’ve worked with a LOT of nurses over the years. There are some brilliant and very astute RN’s out there.

I have also worked with a lot of not very smart nurses who also have had some very questionable mental health & statuses & ethics

Yeah, my daughter told me this exact thing when she worked at a hospital and a doctor's office last couple of summers.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

I agree with what CCS wrote about giving more or less weight to the opinions of doctors based on their specialty. In those lines, the Medscape article states "The Medscape poll, fielded from November 3 to November 11, included 325 physicians, 793 nurses/APRNs, and 151 pharmacists." so I think it is worth pointing out that it does not breakdown the votes by specialty, and that those numbers are very limited to just those Medscape users who happened to login and choose participate during that timeframe.

I wouldn’t only limit to specialty but in which setting have they spent the majority of their career? Who has been their patient population? What kind of CEU have the participated in.

For me personally, I want to know if they have some religious beliefs that might cause bias in their practice.

Non-pandemic related, I often question my own doctors because there have been things they couldn’t explain (my former gastroenterologist) and he couldn’t help me and ran me through a gamut of shirt only to have zero solutions to heal my issue. If he can’t even figure out stuff in his own area of expertise, I sure wouldn’t give too much credit to him in other areas.

 

[faceman]

My wife doesn't want the vaccine. She had covid at the same time I did but just had some minor symptoms. The odd thing She smokes a pack of cigarettes a day. My infectious doctor said he believes nicotine plays a roll of lessening the symptoms. I told him I quit smoking 17 years ago but wasn't opposed to taking up the habit again if it would help. That got a chuckle and a response of no, don't do that. There I was thinking I had a good reason to enjoy a smooth Marlboro red again...

Your Dr. is right. Don't pick up that habit again. I have a friend I mentioned many pages ago. He's unvaccinated. He caught
Covid the first time and had mild symptoms. He caught it again a few months later and it hit him like a truck. He's now
suffering from long covid and has to miss some days at work due to nerve pain. He's also a chain smoker. Nicotine
didn't help him at all.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Some of you know my wife’s saga after getting vaccinated. She received her first dose of Moderna last March, within days developed hot flashes, hair loss, and over the next month proceeded to gain weight and lost her menstrual period. She went to OB/GYN and determined that we was in early menopause. After dealing with weight gain, hair loss, and severe hot flashes (couldn’t sleep) for a few months she was started on hormone replacement therapy. The hormone replacement therapy helped with hot flashes but not as much with persistent weight gain and hair loss. Menstrual period returned but were irregular a few months later, and hormone replacement therapy was stopped.

Fast forward to last month, and she is partially vaccinated and her employer is demanding her to be fully vaccinated. She could have considered a medical exemption but that process is a nightmare, and she also really wanted to be fully vaccinated because she’s an asthmatic. So she gets the vaccine (this time Pfizer).

Boom…hot flashes, increase in hair loss. She can’t sleep because she’s again drenched in sweat and having chills all night. She restarted hormone replacement therapy this week.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

My cousin works in the medical field (not a nurse, but something like that, there are so many levels these days). She is very provax but her 19 year old daughter would not get the vax. Her daughter got Covid last week and has been getting worse, not hospital bad yet, but bad enough where she decided she needed to come stay with her mom because she is feeling pretty sick and she's worried.
My 17 yr old daughter tested positive on Jan 1st because she was hanging out with her friends all last week because she is out of school. But she has the vaccine, and felt really bad on 1st, and 2nd being really tired, headache bad sore throat. But as of today she's pretty much kicked most of the symptoms and just has a light sore throat, got her energy back, and no headache.

 

[brandon8283]

Important question: if 70% of doctors believe one thing, and 30% believe the opposite, can’t we just acknowledge that 30% of doctors are probably just wrong?

I know we like to put them on a pedestal, but they’re humans, too. And if one side says they’re safe, and the other side says they aren’t safe, they can’t both be right.

Also recognizing that the number is probably significantly lower than 30% in reality, I feel safe in saying that doctors in the “30%” of respondents to an online poll are just wrong here.

 

[brandon8283]

Some of you know my wife’s saga after getting vaccinated. She received her first dose of Moderna last March, within days developed hot flashes, hair loss, and over the next month proceeded to gain weight and lost her menstrual period. She went to OB/GYN and determined that we was in early menopause. After dealing with weight gain, hair loss, and severe hot flashes (couldn’t sleep) for a few months she was started on hormone replacement therapy. The hormone replacement therapy helped with hot flashes but not as much with persistent weight gain and hair loss. Menstrual period returned but were irregular a few months later, and hormone replacement therapy was stopped.

Fast forward to last month, and she is partially vaccinated and her employer is demanding her to be fully vaccinated. She could have considered a medical exemption but that process is a nightmare, and she also really wanted to be fully vaccinated because she’s an asthmatic. So she gets the vaccine (this time Pfizer).

Boom…hot flashes, increase in hair loss. She can’t sleep because she’s again drenched in sweat and having chills all night. She restarted hormone replacement therapy this week.

Not trying to be a dick, but do you have any research to support that this is anything more than correlation and not causation?

I mean yea, the timing is coincidental, but one case doesn’t show that one caused the other.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Some of you know my wife’s saga after getting vaccinated. She received her first dose of Moderna last March, within days developed hot flashes, hair loss, and over the next month proceeded to gain weight and lost her menstrual period. She went to OB/GYN and determined that we was in early menopause. After dealing with weight gain, hair loss, and severe hot flashes (couldn’t sleep) for a few months she was started on hormone replacement therapy. The hormone replacement therapy helped with hot flashes but not as much with persistent weight gain and hair loss. Menstrual period returned but were irregular a few months later, and hormone replacement therapy was stopped.

Fast forward to last month, and she is partially vaccinated and her employer is demanding her to be fully vaccinated. She could have considered a medical exemption but that process is a nightmare, and she also really wanted to be fully vaccinated because she’s an asthmatic. So she gets the vaccine (this time Pfizer).

Boom…hot flashes, increase in hair loss. She can’t sleep because she’s again drenched in sweat and having chills all night. She restarted hormone replacement therapy this week.

I'm sorry your wife is going through that, it sounds really uncomfortable and stressful.

Not trying to be a dick, but do you have any research to support that this is anything more than correlation and not causation?

I mean yea, the timing is coincidental, but one case doesn’t show that one caused the other.

For sure it's correlation and not causation, however, it certainly is not impossible that his wife's body could have that sort of reaction. I'd be shocked if there were not tons of weird one-off reactions to any vaccine or drug, or food, or whatever. We're huge sacks of chemicals all slightly different that will have slightly different reactions when other sacks of chemicals are introduced.