COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (4 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Yes, we will see what happens. Haven’t lived in Sweden in 20 years. However, they are mostly testing people in retirement homes, so that’s one major reason the death% is so high.

Yeah, that would explain I lot. It just seemed like an abnormal number. I think time will tell. I'm curious to how widespread it actually is there.

 

[nolaswede]

Yes, we will find out sooner or later. Most friends I talk to over there are pretty serious about it. Might work out ok since Swedes tend to self isolate anyway during Oct- March, generally in good health and bordering countries shut down their borders pretty early. Definitely interesting to follow.

 

[Dragon]

Well one of the issues in Sweden is "Corona tourists"

Since Sweden is one of very few places in Europe where you can go out to eat and where the bars and nightclubs are open, they get a lot of wealthy visitors from all over Europe.
Half my husbands family is Swedish. My late mother in law remarried a swede and had 2 more children there. My brother in law works as a bar manager in Malmø and he says he have never seen so many foreigners at this time of the year

 

[St. Geezy]

Prominent Manhattan E.R. doctor on coronavirus front lines kills herself

A prominent Manhattan emergency room doctor who had treated a staggering number of coronavirus patients killed herself in Virginia, authorities said Monday. Dr. Lorna Breen, 49, the medical directo…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[James Spader]

Still not gonna fly.

Yep, wife and I agreed to just do road trips for a year or so.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Governments across the country are working on plans to reopen society after the novel coronavirus pandemic reaches its peak.

While the timing and components of these plans vary, all must confront an important reality: Getting people back to work requires sufficient child care.

Four in 10 working adults have children under 18. Before the coronavirus struck, approximately one-third of all children under 5 attended a paid care facility, day-care center, preschool or prekindergarten.

Once the coronavirus hit, many of these arrangements were upended. While some day-care centers continue to serve essential workers, many have shut down completely.

For example, Bright Horizons, one of the country’s largest day-care providers, closed more than half of its centers in mid-March. KinderCare, which had operated more than 1,300 centers across the country, now lists only about 400 that are still open.

As a result, many of the estimated 1.5 million people employed in the child-care industry have seen their jobs disappear. Behind those losses is tremendous heartbreak. One day-care owner in Philadelphia described laying off her 100 workers as “the worst day of my life.”

Reopening these facilities won’t be easy. While many out-of-work day-care providers would jump at the chance to regain employment, not all will be in a position to return.

Forty-three states have already closed public schools for the remainder of the 2019-2020 school year — which means day-care providers who work while their children are in school may not be able to come back.............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/27/will-child-care-shortage-prevent-americas-reopening/

 

[DaveXA]

I'm sure some have wondered about the what happened to the BNO Newsroom tracker we used a lot early in the thread. If you read further in the Twitter thread, one of the staff explains his dad recently passed away and being it was just him and 2 others, they had to pause the daily updates. Just fyi anyway.

 

[Eeyore]

This is why we can't have nice things.

Tuckbot

 

[Tapxe]

We're screwed either way. Sorry. You can't force people to be confined to their house for extended periods of time...highly unconstitutional. So we are just going to have to deal with some people not wearing PPE when out in the public. Eventually we will have herd immunity...one way or another...whether or not we are flattening the curve or not. That's the type of immunity that occurs when there is not a vaccination present.


N95's are not practical...AT ALL...in your work environment and it's debatable whether or not they are even necessary. N95's have been associated with reduced oxygenation in a few studies. COVID-19 is a disease process of reduced oxygenation. There is a concern of mine that N95's may potentially tip an asymptomatic COVID patient into being symptomatic. I have poor science to back that up...but heck, there this entire COVID-19 situation is built upon questionable at best science to begin with. Anyone who has ever worn an N95 knows that you really heat up with the mask and it's simply not breathable. It really should only be worn in short bursts and in healthcare workers who are at high risk of receiving high viral loads, which seems to be one of the primary mechanisms this disease is killing otherwise healthy and young people.

1. We aren't forcing anyone to stay home against their constitutional rights. We are simply limiting the numbers of people allowed to gather at any given time for the good of public health.

2. N95 masks are not what is being asked for the average person to wear. Those should still be kept for professionals who are trained and able to use them. The guidlines call for users to wear masks which can be homemade and are simply to essentially cover a persons cough or sneeze to limit the infectious spray from individuals onto surfaces and the air.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A leader of a Facebook group demanding that North Carolina allow businesses to reopen amid the Covid-19 pandemic has tested positive for coronavirus but is still insisting that Governor Roy Cooper's stay-at-home order be rescinded, saying it violates her right to freedom of religion.

Audrey Whitlock is one of the leaders of the ReOpen NC Facebook group, which has close to 70,000 online members and has organized weekly in-person rallies demanding that the state reopen. Whitlock described herself as an "asymptomatic Covid-19 patient" in a since-deleted post to the group on Sunday morning. Regardless of her potential to infect others, she said that abiding by the governor's orders meant her rights were being violated.

"The reality is that modern society has not been able to eradicate contagious viruses. A typical public health quarantine would occur in a medical facility," Whitlock wrote, according to WNCN. "I have been told not to participate in public or private accommodations as requested by the government, and therefore denied my 1st amendment right of freedom of religion."

Cooper recently extended his stay-at-home order to be effective through May 8. Whitlock's post said that "political affiliation all become irrelevant when you are fighting for freedom" but concluded with a call to "remove Roy Cooper from office in November."

She also claimed that enforcing the quarantine orders could be a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act, lamenting that "it has been insinuated by others that if I go out, I could be arrested for denying a quarantine order."...……..

Leader of North Carolina Protests Against Stay-at-Home Has Coronavirus

 

[FootballLady]

1. We aren't forcing anyone to stay home against their constitutional rights. We are simply limiting the numbers of people allowed to gather at any given time for the good of public health.

2. N95 masks are not what is being asked for the average person to wear. Those should still be kept for professionals who are trained and able to use them. The guidlines call for users to wear masks which can be homemade and are simply to essentially cover a persons cough or sneeze to limit the infectious spray from individuals onto surfaces and the air.

All of this could have been far more easily dealt with if the people of this country had the fortitude to do one extreme lockdown for a month. If we could agree to do that periodically, until a treatment or vaccine is found, this would all be more manageable. But so many people here only think of themselves or their political ambition or anything other than the common good.

 

[DaveXA]

All of this could have been far more easily dealt with if the people of this country had the fortitude to do one extreme lockdown for a month. If we could agree to do that periodically, until a treatment or vaccine is found, this would all be more manageable. But so many people here only think of themselves or their political ambition or anything other than the common good.

Well, to be fair, whether that would actually work isn't as cut and dry as one might think. One, it's really not feasible. People still have to go out and get food/necessities. Infrastructure still has to be maintained to some degree. Hospitals and associated systems need to function to not only handle the epidemic, but also other urgent or emergency medical issues that occur every day. Not to mention police, fire and other emergency responders. A month long complete lockdown will never happen here, or anywhere, really.

Even if we did, we can't isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. Inevitably, sick or asymptomatic people will come into the country, and potentially we'd have to start all over again. The point has been made that we're not necessarily trying to take cases to zero, but rather keep the peak of the curve at or below hospitalization capacity. We've been able to do that pretty much everywhere except the most hard hit areas.

 

[0rion]

I don't know of it's a function of time passed or what but I find myself not nearly as worried as I was a month ago. I find myself having to remind....myself....not to let my guard down. I'm still not going out in public but I'm not stressing over my wife/son going to work as much. I keep reminding myself that's when it gets you.....when you think you don't have much to worry about

 

[FootballLady]

Well, to be fair, whether that would actually work isn't as cut and dry as one might think. One, it's really not feasible. People still have to go out and get food/necessities. Infrastructure still has to be maintained to some degree. Hospitals and associated systems need to function to not only handle the epidemic, but also other urgent or emergency medical issues that occur every day. Not to mention police, fire and other emergency responders. A month long complete lockdown will never happen here, or anywhere, really.

Even if we did, we can't isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. Inevitably, sick or asymptomatic people will come into the country, and potentially we'd have to start all over again. The point has been made that we're not necessarily trying to take cases to zero, but rather keep the peak of the curve at or below hospitalization capacity. We've been able to do that pretty much everywhere except the most hard hit areas.

An aggressive policy on testing coupled with a short-term aggressive lockdown for non-essentials (true non-essentials) would have put us past where we are curently.

 

[DaveXA]

An aggressive policy on testing coupled with a short-term aggressive lockdown for non-essentials (true non-essentials) would have put us past where we are curently.

Possibly, but we don't live in a totalitarian state. It's just not going to happen here.