Derek Carr the target of parade float “joke” (1 Viewer)

[Loco Hornet Fan]

Is it because of the amount of money he makes?

Because I just don't remember Andy Dalton being metaphorically burned at the stake in the same manner that Derek Carr has been...

Dalton was a backup who got thrown into the starting lineup. Carr signed a much bigger contract to come be the starter and raise our ceiling.

I think it that’s a big reason why people are more critical of Carr or want to hold him more accountable than Dalton.

I think that’s just how it goes for all teams and fan bases.

 

[St. Geezy]

Regardless of how you feel about Carr, there is one thing that’s for certain - it’s going to take a long time for the Saints fanbase to get used to the idea that their starting quarterback doesn’t look like a robotic, A.I. machine throwing perfect lasers week after week, after that was just about all they knew for 15 years (not to mention while being guided by a now renown playcaller).

History tells us that there won’t be another HOF quarterback walking through those doors anytime soon.

Yes, I know, different eras and all…but without looking, and I know the standard is low, however I am pretty sure we just watched (statistically) the best non-Drew Brees quarterbacking season in Saints history, but you’ll never know it listening to our fans whose bar has been raised to almost impossible to ever match again levels.

Carr has his flaws, but I think he showed a lot as the year progressed; the guy was in fact “pretty good” down the stretch IMO, and believe it or not, sometimes it takes even a 10 year veteran a little while to take on and learn a whole new system, especially when it’s a new learning environment with an entire cast of new teammates and coaches.

 

[St. Widge]

Ive been thinking about fans opinions and if they should chill or are just a bunch of spoiled kids. I rode the spoiled take up until now. I now think its important that the fans continue to voice their opinions, ie boo, etc etc. Why the change of heart? Because the minute we start accepting failure is the minute we become the "Aints" Playing devils advocate with myself: Yes, but does the booing actually help or do they even notice or care? Answer: They most certainly do notice, DA if i recall, literally defended DC in a presser. (remember he said, to the media, that DC had a great game now wheres is his flowers?) Does it help, the booing and constant negative takes? Yes, because they will continue to strive to overcome the negativity, as long as its based off of truth and not hatred. (its like using fear as a motivator) Can booing ever be wrong? Yes. If the booing isnt called for and it becomes a tool of hate, then the negativity gets absorbed into the culture (like the bag heads over time) then it'll lose its effectiveness. The moral: Be fair and be loud.

If people want to boo, they can boo. I think there are some circumstances where it is justified. However, I don't think it makes a difference because the team, players, and front office know when there are issues and they all want to win. They might disagree on how to solve those issues, and fans are often wrong about that, but they are aware of them and will try to solve them. It just might not be in the way the fans want, but to quote Jim Mora, "you think you know, but you don't know." Then again, every front office is also often wrong about how to fix a problem.

The vast majority of players are in this to win, and even those who care more about the money still want to win. I'm not sure where this narrative came from that the Saints, Loomis and Mrs. Benson in particular, don't care about winning, but I think it's really strange. Loomis has been in the league a long time and you don't stay in the NFL if you don't care about winning. And, Mrs. Benson has been willing to pay whatever is asked and do whatever is asked (went to personally see Deshaun Watson to recruit him). So I don't think it matter if we boo or not because they are going to try to win regardless.

And, from a more cynical point of view, if they really only care about money going to games and booing doesn't hurt them. If you think they really care about money and not winning then don't buy tickets and don't buy merchandise. So, I mean, boo if you want but the only thing it might do is make you feel better.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Regardless of how you feel about Carr, there is one thing that’s for certain - it’s going to take a long time for the Saints fanbase to get used to the idea that their starting quarterback doesn’t look like a robotic, A.I. machine throwing perfect lasers week after week, after that was just about all they knew for 15 years (not to mention while being guided by a now renown playcaller).

History tells us that there won’t be another HOF quarterback walking through those doors anytime soon.

It’s hard to really understand just how rare a player of Drew’s caliber is. He is one of the greatest athletes of all time, not just in NFL football but in all of sports . It’s only until after they are gone that you really start to get it.

 

[St. Widge]

In passing on twitter, I read that Carr was on a float and thought to myself "finally trying to endear himself to the city, maybe there is some hope for him". Then I found out that this is what was meant. Brutal for him, but not unexpected. He's going to have to try a bit harder to become a fan favorite, but I'll bet he's nowhere near NO during the off season. He doesn't seem like the type that's going to make NO his home 12 months a year.

I think it's a bit much to expect a guy from California who played for another team in two cities for 9 years to embrace New Orleans. The culture here has to be incredibly foreign to him. Of course Bridgewater, and to some extend Jameis, embraced NOLA and they both go the love back. Especially Bridgewater.

That being said the quote above from Brees is right. I you love NOLA it will love you back but what he didn't say is if you don't love NOLA it will tell you to go away. Carr doesn't really seem to fit the culture and I don't get the feeling he loves NOLA. But, you don't have to love NOLA to be the Saints QB and if he does win enough games, NOLA will love him anyway.

 

[St. Widge]

I’m glad Carr is a good sport about it

This makes me feel better about Carr. It's a small thing, but it shows he gets it to some extent.

 

[Rexman100]

If people want to boo, they can boo. I think there are some circumstances where it is justified. However, I don't think it makes a difference because the team, players, and front office know when there are issues and they all want to win. They might disagree on how to solve those issues, and fans are often wrong about that, but they are aware of them and will try to solve them. It just might not be in the way the fans want, but to quote Jim Mora, "you think you know, but you don't know."

The vast majority of players are in this to win, and even those who care more about the money still want to win. I'm not sure where this narrative came from that the Saints, Loomis and Mrs. Benson in particular, don't care about winning, but I think it's really strange. Loomis has been in the league a long time and you don't stay in the NFL if you don't care about winning. And, Mrs. Benson has been willing to pay whatever is asked and do whatever is asked (went to personally see Deshaun Watson to recruit him). So I don't think it matter if we boo or not because they are going to try to win regardless.

And, from a more cynical point of view, if they really only care about money going to games and booing doesn't hurt them. If you think they really care about money and not winning then don't buy tickets and don't buy merchandise. So, I mean, boo if you want but the only thing it might do is make you feel better.

Yea i dont doubt that they are "trying" to win. But if they were really trying to win, wouldnt they have brought in Harbaugh for an interview? IMO, (and maybe others dont agree) but he's the closest hire of a sure thing than any. This tells me that they are in it to win to a certain degree. So if the fans can apply pressure in any way, that keeps them focussed then im ok with the booing.

 

[St. Widge]

Yea i dont doubt that they are "trying" to win. But if they were really trying to win, wouldnt they have brought in Harbaugh for an interview? IMO, (and maybe others dont agree) but he's the closest hire of a sure thing than any. This tells me that they are in it to win to a certain degree. So if the fans can apply pressure in any way, that keeps them focussed then im ok with the booing.

I don't think so. I think Loomis truly believes that DA can be the coach we need to win a lot of games. Loomis is patient in that way. I disagree with him, but I think he is keeping DA because he thinks he can be the guy, not because he thinks he is somehow saving money by not paying Harbaugh or another coach.

Frankly, if not interviewing Harbaugh means you don't want to win, that would mean that probably around 27 other teams don't want to win too since there are probably only about 4 great coaches in the NFL right now and the Charger hired Harbaugh.

Anyway, the only real pressure fans have is to not buy tickets and not buy merchandise. Of course the problem is that if we don't buy tickets long enough, the team is going to move.

 

[Rexman100]

I don't think so. I think Loomis truly believes that DA can be the coach we need to win a lot of games. Loomis is patient in that way. I disagree with him, but I think he is keeping DA because he thinks he can be the guy, not because he thinks he is somehow saving money by not paying Harbaugh or another coach.

Frankly, if not interviewing Harbaugh means you don't want to win, that would mean that probably around 27 other teams don't want to win too since there are probably only about 4 great coaches in the NFL right now and the Charger hired Harbaugh.

Anyway, the only real pressure fans have is to not buy tickets and not buy merchandise. Of course the problem is that if we don't buy tickets long enough, the team is going to move.

fair enough. Harbaugh situation aside, I too agree that ML believes in DA and he's being patient because he's confident that we're a Gregg Williams (KK) away from being elite. However, I think I read that 50% of the league are running a Shanahan/McVay hybrid offense now. Its said that Shanahan JR doesnt even run the Shanahan offense anymore. So we're reallyf late to the party. Hopefully ML nails this hire and his due diligence pays off. Ill credit ML for now, becasue id much rather have patient GM than some hair trigger fool. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Jesse Custer]

fair enough. Harbaugh situation aside, I too agree that ML believes in DA and he's being patient because he's confident that we're a Gregg Williams (KK) away from being elite. However, I think I read that 50% of the league are running a Shanahan/McVay hybrid offense now. Its said that Shanahan JR doesnt even run the Shanahan offense anymore. So we're reallyf late to the party. Hopefully ML nails this hire and his due diligence pays off. Ill credit ML for now, becasue id much rather have patient GM than some hair trigger fool. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Shanahan's offense more resembles the Saints 2011 offense than his own at this point (just my take from casual observation). Lots of motion and creating mismatches and having a QB who can buy time and play well within the system.

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

It’s a thread about papier-mâché, canvas and tractors…c’mon (guess there a few bits of lumber involved).

 

[RaginCajun83]

It’s a thread about papier-mâché, canvas and tractors…c’mon (guess there a few bits of lumber involved.

Yeah but some people hate Carr and DA so much they have to interject it into every thread subject

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

Yeah but some people hate Carr and DA so much they have to interject it into every thread subject

I get it.

And bleep the Rangers.

 

[BIGSAINTSFAN]

Been to just about every Mardi Gras for the past 40+ years and rode in Endymion a few times, go to the Endymion Extravaganza almost annually, as well as rode in Morpheus several times. I know what Mardi Gras is all about.

Still think its kind of messed up that this is the type of thing our QB (and his family) has to see during their first ever foray into parade season as a member of the community. It's a bad look from a national perception perspective.

I totally agree with you. It was absolutely classless and I am sure his family was hurt by it. And for those that think this was OK it's no wonder why good players refuse to come here. Trust me, that prank will leave a lasting impression our QB for years to come. We say we want a winner, we as fans should act like we've won something before. At least we're not wearing bags. Just my two cents.

 

[Rouxble]

I’m glad Carr is a good sport about it

When asked for later comment, he said “as the kind of parade that CHAOS is, I can understand when you’re dealing with all the noise about your history, you’re dealing with other parades having better attendance—and they love other parades—but I can understand where frustration starts to build.”