Derek Carr - Why People Dislike Him (IMO) (3 Viewers)

[Deuuuuce]

Ugh, here we go with the "true fan" nonsense again. Being a fan does not mean blind optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence.

I'm a Saints fan.
I also think Derek Carr was a huge mistake based on what I've seen so far.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I didnt say any of you were not true fans. I think it’s just weird that people attack Dc’s personal character without knowing him at all. People don’t like him right now because we have been losing and he’s the easiest scape goat. Fans are going to fan. But calling him a prick and saying he’s not a leader because he eats at chipolte is just ridiculous.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Brees was so good in San Diego that they spent a first overall to bring in a replacement. Without Payton, I do not think Drew becomes a Hall of Famer. Talented guy, but you need the right coach to make it work. It was a symbiotic relationship. Sean crafted a system uniquely for Brees that matched his strengths and masked his few weaknesses. He built the OL specifically for Brees and his pocket manipulation capabilities.

Anyone who thinks Belichick wasn't instrumental in Tom's rings is kidding themselves. Whose defense constantly gave Tom short fields?

 

[Deuuuuce]

Brees was so good in San Diego that they spent a first overall to bring in a replacement. Without Payton, I do not think Drew becomes a Hall of Famer. Talented guy, but you need the right coach to make it work. It was a symbiotic relationship. Sean crafted a system uniquely for Brees that matched his strengths and masked his few weaknesses. He built the OL specifically for Brees and his pocket manipulation capabilities.

Anyone who thinks Belichick wasn't instrumental in Tom's rings is kidding themselves. Whose defense constantly gave Tom short fields?

Drafting drews replacement and letting him go was the biggest mistake san diego ever made.

 

[jahsoul357]

Drafting drews replacement and letting him go was the biggest mistake san diego ever made.

Couldn't tell you what Chargers fans think but I think it motivated Drew but they saw limited success. They just always happened to running to the best defenses in the league in the playoffs..lol

 

[Jesse Custer]

Drafting drews replacement and letting him go was the biggest mistake san diego ever made.

Oh, absolutely. They also found out the limitations of Martyball in the playoffs.

 

[Dastheat_9]

Peyton manning was not a system QB. He was a system. He ran the whole Offense from the line of scrimmage sometimes. His understanding of getting his team out of bad plays, and setting up Defenses was such a joy to watch. Jon Vilma said, if they did not have 2 weeks to practice. They would have lost the Super Bowl. Vilma said, he called Vince wilfork to get tendency.

Dude payton manning is not a system QB . Thats ridiculous. They just ran basic stuff but he was lethal changing plays at the line and had a ridiculous arm. Brady also ran basic stuff but just had uncanny pocket presence, work ethic, and accuracy.. They were not at all system QBs. Coaches don’t make players. Players make coaches with very few excep

 

[Deuuuuce]

Couldn't tell you what Chargers fans think but I think it motivated Drew but they saw limited success. They just always happened to running to the best defenses in the league in the playoffs..lol

Rivers wasn’t bad, but it seemed like at the time Brees got let go because marty needed someone to scapegoat plus drew had the big injury. Drew was a fine QB there and just needed someone to take a chance on him after the injury. Passing on Drew is why Saban never succeeded in the nfl

 

[Deuuuuce]

Peyton manning was not a system QB. He was a system.

Just like James Harden’

 

[jahsoul357]

Peyton manning was not a system QB. He was a system. He ran the whole Offense from the line of scrimmage sometimes. His understanding of getting his team out of bad plays, and setting up Defenses was such a joy to watch. Jon Vilma said, if they did not have 2 weeks to practice. They would have lost the Super Bowl. Vilma said, he called Vince wilfork to get tendency.

And when we faced them in the Super Bowl, Manning was in the same offense with the same OC for 12 years at that point. He became the system.

Rivers wasn’t bad, but it seemed like at the time Brees got let go because marty needed someone to scapegoat plus drew had the big injury. Drew was a fine QB there and just needed soneone to take a chance on him after the injury. Passing on Drew is why Saban never succeeded in the nfl

I thought I read somewhere that Marty wanted to keep Drew and that decision was from above him. And don't know why he would need to scapegoat Drew. Drew play actually got worse from 2004 to 2005. They go 14-2 in 2006 with Rivers but ran into that Patriot's defense..lol

 

[jahsoul357]

Just like James Harden’

*The System*
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, 3
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Drive
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Flop

 

[Deuuuuce]

And when we faced them in the Super Bowl, Manning was in the same offense with the same OC for 12 years at that point. He became the system.


I thought I read somewhere that Marty wanted to keep Drew and that decision was from above him. And don't know why he would need to scapegoat Drew. Drew play actually got worse from 2004 to 2005. They go 14-2 in 2006 with Rivers but ran into that Patriot's defense..lol

I wonder what Brees would have done with Brandon Marshall , lt, and gates all in their prime.

 

[Deuuuuce]

*The System*
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, 3
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Drive
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Flop

I loved James when he was with the rockets. Great regular season player. Terrible in the post season.

 

[Elvis]

 

[Rouxble]

The difference maker that is ignored is Jim Caldwell being his QB coach. One season with Jim Caldwell and he got his first MVP but the system never changed.

And then Caldwell never went on to do anything with any other QB, save for an end of season stretch with Flacco that got Flacco paid. Interesting enough, they fired Cam Cameron and let Caldwell take over that season. I mention that because Cameron's only success came with Brees and Rivers.

In short, Manning continued to produce without Caldwell, but Caldwell couldn't continue to produce without Manning.

When you take this at face value, this is telling me that all of these coaches were/are able to produce with the QB that they named the starter. We could technically add another line for Lance since Shanny named his a starter at the beginning of the season and we can also do the same for Winston, since he was named starter.

I think it's more about the narrative that these coaches can just take anybody at any time and put up the same numbers--the QB matters. Purdy has made a lot of people forget how Shanahan did with Hoyer, Beathard, and Mullens (and I suppose Lance). Shanahan is 62-49 overall in the regular season, but it you break it out by QB, he is 9-29 without Purdy/Jimmy G and 53-20 with those QB's. It's a huge difference in performance based on who is taking snaps.

I wouldn't say that coaching is irrelevant, but I still stick to my idea that OL > QB > OC. Bad OL? QB will be severely limited. Bad QB? Coaching can only do so much, but the great QB's will be able to function in just about any system unless we're talking about having Peyton Manning run the read option.

 

[SaintAlgiers]

I never liked Carr as a player. He didn't win. He was poor in the red zone where it matters most and he didn't do well under pressure. I did not know anything about how he interacted with teammates or fans. Now that I have that experience, I like him even less as a player. I don't know him on a personal level. I'm not concerned with him on a personal level. Don't care if he is a great guy or not. I hate that he is our quarterback and I would like him gone.