Derek Carr - Why People Dislike Him (IMO) (1 Viewer)

[perret318]

Not going to lie, im ebarassed to be a Saints fan seeing this thread at the top of the forum when the team still has a lot to play for. Weird.

Ugh, here we go with the "true fan" nonsense again. Being a fan does not mean blind optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence.

I'm a Saints fan.
I also think Derek Carr was a huge mistake based on what I've seen so far.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I talked about that actually.


Manning brought his offense to Denver and Tom Brady began bring in elements of NE's offense during the bye week in 2020. He went from running a scaled down version of Arians' offense to simplifying it and adding Patriots elements..lol. The next season, the Bucs offense looked closer to the Patriots than anything that Arians has ever drawn up.

Again, being a system QB doesn't mean that you can't QB. Mastering a system system for all those years is why they were elite. They know everything about it and while in that offense, has seen everything that can counteract certain things. That's how they got better with certain things. And this was actually during a time when skill actually mattered, instead of today where skill players outweigh QB skill.

I see your points, but i’d argue Brees was pretty good before Payton it just took a while for san diego to field a decent team around him. Same goes for when he came to the saints. Once he got the pieces(o line being the most important piece) he took his play to another level. Not a shot at coach SP, he was good in his own right, but Brees is a hall of famer and would have been good no matter what system. It’s more about having the right players around you.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Ugh, here we go with the "true fan" nonsense again. Being a fan does not mean blind optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence.

I'm a Saints fan.
I also think Derek Carr was a huge mistake based on what I've seen so far.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I didnt say any of you were not true fans. I think it’s just weird that people attack Dc’s personal character without knowing him at all. People don’t like him right now because we have been losing and he’s the easiest scape goat. Fans are going to fan. But calling him a prick and saying he’s not a leader because he eats at chipolte is just ridiculous.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Brees was so good in San Diego that they spent a first overall to bring in a replacement. Without Payton, I do not think Drew becomes a Hall of Famer. Talented guy, but you need the right coach to make it work. It was a symbiotic relationship. Sean crafted a system uniquely for Brees that matched his strengths and masked his few weaknesses. He built the OL specifically for Brees and his pocket manipulation capabilities.

Anyone who thinks Belichick wasn't instrumental in Tom's rings is kidding themselves. Whose defense constantly gave Tom short fields?

 

[Deuuuuce]

Brees was so good in San Diego that they spent a first overall to bring in a replacement. Without Payton, I do not think Drew becomes a Hall of Famer. Talented guy, but you need the right coach to make it work. It was a symbiotic relationship. Sean crafted a system uniquely for Brees that matched his strengths and masked his few weaknesses. He built the OL specifically for Brees and his pocket manipulation capabilities.

Anyone who thinks Belichick wasn't instrumental in Tom's rings is kidding themselves. Whose defense constantly gave Tom short fields?

Drafting drews replacement and letting him go was the biggest mistake san diego ever made.

 

[jahsoul357]

Drafting drews replacement and letting him go was the biggest mistake san diego ever made.

Couldn't tell you what Chargers fans think but I think it motivated Drew but they saw limited success. They just always happened to running to the best defenses in the league in the playoffs..lol

 

[Jesse Custer]

Drafting drews replacement and letting him go was the biggest mistake san diego ever made.

Oh, absolutely. They also found out the limitations of Martyball in the playoffs.

 

[Dastheat_9]

Peyton manning was not a system QB. He was a system. He ran the whole Offense from the line of scrimmage sometimes. His understanding of getting his team out of bad plays, and setting up Defenses was such a joy to watch. Jon Vilma said, if they did not have 2 weeks to practice. They would have lost the Super Bowl. Vilma said, he called Vince wilfork to get tendency.

Dude payton manning is not a system QB . Thats ridiculous. They just ran basic stuff but he was lethal changing plays at the line and had a ridiculous arm. Brady also ran basic stuff but just had uncanny pocket presence, work ethic, and accuracy.. They were not at all system QBs. Coaches don’t make players. Players make coaches with very few excep

 

[Deuuuuce]

Couldn't tell you what Chargers fans think but I think it motivated Drew but they saw limited success. They just always happened to running to the best defenses in the league in the playoffs..lol

Rivers wasn’t bad, but it seemed like at the time Brees got let go because marty needed someone to scapegoat plus drew had the big injury. Drew was a fine QB there and just needed someone to take a chance on him after the injury. Passing on Drew is why Saban never succeeded in the nfl

 

[Deuuuuce]

Peyton manning was not a system QB. He was a system.

Just like James Harden’

 

[jahsoul357]

Peyton manning was not a system QB. He was a system. He ran the whole Offense from the line of scrimmage sometimes. His understanding of getting his team out of bad plays, and setting up Defenses was such a joy to watch. Jon Vilma said, if they did not have 2 weeks to practice. They would have lost the Super Bowl. Vilma said, he called Vince wilfork to get tendency.

And when we faced them in the Super Bowl, Manning was in the same offense with the same OC for 12 years at that point. He became the system.

Rivers wasn’t bad, but it seemed like at the time Brees got let go because marty needed someone to scapegoat plus drew had the big injury. Drew was a fine QB there and just needed soneone to take a chance on him after the injury. Passing on Drew is why Saban never succeeded in the nfl

I thought I read somewhere that Marty wanted to keep Drew and that decision was from above him. And don't know why he would need to scapegoat Drew. Drew play actually got worse from 2004 to 2005. They go 14-2 in 2006 with Rivers but ran into that Patriot's defense..lol

 

[jahsoul357]

Just like James Harden’

*The System*
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, 3
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Drive
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Flop

 

[Deuuuuce]

And when we faced them in the Super Bowl, Manning was in the same offense with the same OC for 12 years at that point. He became the system.


I thought I read somewhere that Marty wanted to keep Drew and that decision was from above him. And don't know why he would need to scapegoat Drew. Drew play actually got worse from 2004 to 2005. They go 14-2 in 2006 with Rivers but ran into that Patriot's defense..lol

I wonder what Brees would have done with Brandon Marshall , lt, and gates all in their prime.

 

[Deuuuuce]

*The System*
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, 3
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Drive
-Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, Flop

I loved James when he was with the rockets. Great regular season player. Terrible in the post season.