Making the case to heavily pursue Joe Brady for Head Coach (8 Viewers)

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JackDiesel said:
I came to post that their OC got fired last year and so Allen most definitely didn't make his OC look good. Everywhere he goes the QB "coincidently" does well.

Remains to be seen if he's head coaching material but he's already an OC so a lateral move won't work. He's a young offensive mind that knows how to get the most out of a QB. We got Rattler coming up and if he doesn't develop then we'll be looking for a new one in a couple years.
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It's important to note, not just QB. RB and WR's often have some of their best years under him as well. QB is just the highlighted position.
 
Saint Greg said:
If I were looking for a coach to help us find a quarterback. I'd go for one who already found a quarterback. Not one who went two places that already had them.
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Like those guys are ever available? if they have found a great, true franchise QB, that coach is probably not going anywhere for a good while....

St. Widge said:
I'm skeptical on Brady since he has only been good when he had great QBs. I guess he helped develop Burrow but Allen was more or less a finished product by the time he got there.
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There is a good reason why Brady got promoted, quickly to OC.....and it's part of the reason IMO why Allen is having a career year. His turnovers are way down, which is really the part of his game that needed improvement....I agree there are a lot of unknowns with Brady as there would be with any 1st time HC, but I think its worth the risk.....
 
sfidc3 said:
Like those guys are ever available? if they have found a great, true franchise QB, that coach is probably not going anywhere for a good while....
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If they are an OC there they'll leave for a HC job.
 
sfidc3 said:
If they are the OC there, then they probably had some input but not the authority to pick their QB.....really not sure what you are getting at here....
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Depends on the head coach. If it's a defensive guy I'd bet the OC had a big hand in the pick. And definitely in the development. Do you think DA liked Rattler or Kubiak?
 
Saint Greg said:
Depends on the head coach. If it's a defensive guy I'd bet the OC had a big hand in the pick. And definitely in the development.
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Not really, it depends on the way the organization is structured, it could be the HC, or the GM making the decisions....or in some unfortunate cases (like Dallas) the owner.....being as I hate the Cowboys, I hope JJ lives forever!!!
 
sfidc3 said:
Like those guys are ever available? if they have found a great, true franchise QB, that coach is probably not going anywhere for a good while....



There is a good reason why Brady got promoted, quickly to OC.....and it's part of the reason IMO why Allen is having a career year. His turnovers are way down, which is really the part of his game that needed improvement....I agree there are a lot of unknowns with Brady as there would be with any 1st time HC, but I think its worth the risk.....
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I'm not saying I wouldn't hire Brady, but I'd prefer Johnson or Coen over him. And I might even prefer Burnell and Kingsbury over him. But, I'd probably take a shot on Brady over keeping Rizzi.

Part of it is that I don't know Brady or what his plan would be to rebuild the team. But it's also that he seems to be a guy that can take you up a notch but it's not clear that he can build the base. He was essentially running someone else's offense at LSU and with the Bills so it's hard to know if he can design his own offense and the one time he tried, Carolina, he failed. But, it does appear that he is a good play caller which not a lot of guys are. Seems like a guy that is going to be very boom or bust, but I'd rather that than someone who is more likely to just be average since it's a lot easier to know when to move on if they just bust.

One thing I recall about Brady is an article from the 2019 LSU season where they talked about how Brady didn't like the college environment because fans were too over the top and would come up to him and want to talk to him in restaurants and public places. That kind of makes me wonder if he has the personality to be an NFL head coach. You can blend in to some extent and an OC or QB coach, but the head coach, especially in a city like New Orleans, is going to be the face of the franchise and the center of attention for the entire city. I'm not sure if Brady would be comfortable with that.
 
sfidc3 said:
Not really, it depends on the way the organization is structured, it could be the HC, or the GM making the decisions....or in some unfortunate cases (like Dallas) the owner.....being as I hate the Cowboys, I hope JJ lives forever!!!
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Will McClay is the one making those decisions in Dallas. And they've been drafting better than us generally. So you think the same people who made the decision to draft Haener last year also made the decision to draft Rattler? Pete vs. Kubiak made no difference?
 
St. Widge said:
I'm not saying I wouldn't hire Brady, but I'd prefer Johnson or Coen over him. And I might even prefer Burnell and Kingsbury over him. But, I'd probably take a shot on Brady over keeping Rizzi.

Part of it is that I don't know Brady or what his plan would be to rebuild the team. But it's also that he seems to be a guy that can take you up a notch but it's not clear that he can build the base. He was essentially running someone else's offense at LSU and with the Bills so it's hard to know if he can design his own offense and the one time he tried, Carolina, he failed. But, it does appear that he is a good play caller which not a lot of guys are. Seems like a guy that is going to be very boom or bust, but I'd rather that than someone who is more likely to just be average since it's a lot easier to know when to move on if they just bust.

One thing I recall about Brady is an article from the 2019 LSU season where they talked about how Brady didn't like the college environment because fans were too over the top and would come up to him and want to talk to him in restaurants and public places. That kind of makes me wonder if he has the personality to be an NFL head coach. You can blend in to some extent and an OC or QB coach, but the head coach, especially in a city like New Orleans, is going to be the face of the franchise and the center of attention for the entire city. I'm not sure if Brady would be comfortable with that.
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I agree there are a lot of unknowns with Brady, as there would be with any 1st time HC.....I prefer Brady over the names you listed, I do realize it's a riskier choice though.....

Saint Greg said:
Will McClay is the one making those decisions in Dallas. And they've been drafting better than us generally. So you think the same people who made the decision to draft Haener last year also made the decision to draft Rattler? Pete vs. Kubiak made no difference?
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I believe Jerry Jones is still the final decision maker, he gave that authority to his son for a few years and their drafts were much better, and I think it bruised his ego a bit....

Yes, I believe a combination of Jeff Ireland, DA and ML (with Loomis probably having the final say) picked both QB's, do you think differently?
 
St. Widge said:
One thing I recall about Brady is an article from the 2019 LSU season where they talked about how Brady didn't like the college environment because fans were too over the top and would come up to him and want to talk to him in restaurants and public places. That kind of makes me wonder if he has the personality to be an NFL head coach.
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You hire HCs to win games, not talk to fans.
 
St. Widge said:
One thing I recall about Brady is an article from the 2019 LSU season where they talked about how Brady didn't like the college environment because fans were too over the top and would come up to him and want to talk to him in restaurants and public places. That kind of makes me wonder if he has the personality to be an NFL head coach.
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This, is something. Truly something. I mean...its something.

Come one Widge. I know you sometimes you get in a post frenzy and just throw things out there, but this is weak. Its not even a hot take. Its not even a take. Its bizarre.

If that were a metric by which a NFL HC is judged, Belichick wouldve never have got past a single interview.

Imagine a GM asking a HC candidate, before we start the interview, how do you like being approached by fans while your are grabbing some groceries at Rouses?
 
SystemShock said:
You hire HCs to win games, not talk to fans.
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No sheet? I had no idea.

The point isn't that he won't talk to fans, the point is that he may not have the right personality to lead a team and an organization. Think Pete Carmichael, Dennis Allen, etc. They are both good X and O guys but they lack the personality to lead the team and the organization. If Brady is an introvert, that's generally not the right personality trait for a head coach.

That is backed up by rumors that Brady does not interview well.
 
St. Widge said:
No sheet? I had no idea.

The point isn't that he won't talk to fans, the point is that he may not have the right personality to lead a team and an organization. Think Pete Carmichael, Dennis Allen, etc. They are both good X and O guys but they lack the personality to lead the team and the organization. If Brady is an introvert, that's generally not the right personality trait for a head coach.

That is backed up by rumors that Brady does not interview well.
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Nah, you aren't digging out of that one. Its just a truly indefensible proposition.
 

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