Reggie Bush College days revisited.. (1 Viewer)

[VishaL]

I Dont Think If We Had Maroney We Would Be 7-0, Iam Happy Wit Bush

 

[GuerillaBlack]

But what has Bush done? He is last in rookies with yards per carry, has high receptions (top 10 in NFL), but less than 400 yards. You can't be happy with a 55 million dollar decoy. Though, you can be happy with what he has done for our city of New Orleans

 

[ChadC]

My head hurts. Reggie has not played well this season, lets all face it. If we had another back (Maroney for example), then we would be 7-0. Reggie needs to seriously step it up. Almost every rookie has better stats than him. In the end, the W's are what counts, and we have that, but not with Bush's help.

Are you serious? So, Maroney would have helped us beat the Ravens in a game where the whole team stunk it up. Look, Maroney is a good back, but he is no where near the weapon that Reggie is, nor does he garner the attention that Reggie does. Reggie Bush is making our offense lethal just by being on the field, I wish people would just understand this.

 

[ChadC]

But what has Bush done? He is last in rookies with yards per carry, has high receptions (top 10 in NFL), but less than 400 yards. You can't be happy with a 55 million dollar decoy. Though, you can be happy with what he has done for our city of New Orleans

I'm happy with a 55 million dollar decoy that has helped us to be 6-2 at this point....Oh yeah, not to mention the GAME WINNING punt return against TB.

 

[Danchrism]

My head hurts. Reggie has not played well this season, lets all face it. If we had another back (Maroney for example), then we would be 7-0. Reggie needs to seriously step it up. Almost every rookie has better stats than him. In the end, the W's are what counts, and we have that, but not with Bush's help.

What I think this post actually means to say, is that the assertion made by the OP (VishaL) is errm... how to put this nicely... not quite correct yet.

I'll concede that he opens things up for other guys, and the receptions are awesome, but he hasn't earned "greatest ever" (VishaL's exact words) yet.

 

[iwitnesskr]

Honestly, I laugh at the "Bush isn't even the best ROOKIE Running Back talk"

"Boy, if we had Maroney"
"Addai, Jones Drew, Norwood and Lundy look better than Bush"

Those rookies are all great guys, and I'm not here to bash them unnecessarily.

Maroney is a great power running back, on a great power running team. What separates Dillon from Maroney? Not much IMHO.

And I haven't put on a football uniform in 7 years now. And I bet a good bit of my money that I could suit up tomorrow and rush for 50 yards in the Colts offense. Not to take Addai props, love to see the LSU boys do well in the league.

Norwood (who has looked very impressive, and has been a bit of a surprise to me) plays for the Falcons. Any team that has MV as a QB will have a successful running game. Due to the attention defenses have to place on MV.

Do you guys honestly think teams are game planning to stop Maroney, Lundy, Norwood, Addai, or Jones Drew (who has also been very impressive)? Do opposing teams scheme special packages for any of these guys.
Of course I'm speculating here, but I seriously doubt it.

We didn't draft RB because we needed another power runner. We already have that. We drafted Reggie Bush to be Reggie Bush. Assuming Reggie is scared to get hit is borderline absurd. You cannot, I repeat, cannot play running back at any level if you are scared to take a hit (I’m done commenting on that phase of the Reggie Bush argument)

Teams game plan to stop other teams running game.

Teams game plan to stop Reggie Bush.

Speculation about the other teams is inevitable, but we do know for a fact, that various coaches and coordinators have admitted to game planning and admitting that accounting for Reggie Bush is a top priority.

When all the chips fall this season, we will revisit this conversation.


As mentioned in previous post, I, like many of you on this site, am a die-hard football fan. But most importantly, I am a running back guru. Have played, coached, critiqued a have always been fascinated by the position.

I’m just letting you guys know, that in all of my years (25) on this earth. I have never witnessed a football player that carries Reggie Bush's skills set.

Why hasn't Reggie’s signature big play shown its face in the first 8 games? The answer to this question can only be speculated. But I will tell you this, and give fair warning to any opposing team SR visitor. Don't sleep on a slumping Giant. Teams will pay dearly when they do.

I still believe, not because I bleed black and gold, but solely based on my knowledge of football, and my self proclaimed "specialization" of the RB position, that Reggie will score at least 12 TD's this year.

There are 8 games remaining. And the stage has been set. Teams might honestly start buying into this "Reggie Bust" talk. And they will pay dearly for it. All I can say is this, and mark my words, file this away and send me hate mail at your own discretion if this doesn't hold true......

Reggie Bush's final 8 games will be worlds away from the first 8. Write it in stone.



P.S. Am I the only that thinks that Larry Johnson is a clone of the 2002,2003 Deuce McAllister. Every time I see a KC highlight I get PO'ed because that is what Deuce used to look like before Haslett encouraged him to "bulk up". Telling a 225 pound man to "bulk up", I’m still in search of that answer.

 

[Squeezebox]

My head hurts. Reggie has not played well this season, lets all face it. If we had another back (Maroney for example), then we would be 7-0. Reggie needs to seriously step it up. Almost every rookie has better stats than him. In the end, the W's are what counts, and we have that, but not with Bush's help.

We wouldn't have had to play a game?

 

[Gadget]

its a decoy, by having teams see he always, always cuts it out, when we need reggie he will cut it in, we havent really needed reggie to do this yet, but its all payton giving teams some film on bush, before we unveil the real reggie bush, again i said it before and will say it again, reggie is the greatest player ever in the NFL..................

He is not even the best player on this team much less in the entire NFL. He is finding out the hard way that the NFL is full of superstars. Every defense is loaded with quick, smart, athletic guys and collage teams may have one per defense.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

He is not even the best player on this team much less in the entire NFL. He is finding out the hard way that the NFL is full of superstars. Every defense is loaded with quick, smart, athletic guys and collage teams may have one per defense.

That is what I have been saying. He isn't putting up any numbers. Absolutely no defensive cordinators are setting up their gameplan around him. Especially after is last record setting game of 11 rushes for -5 yards (hasn't been done in 25 years with a player over 10 rush attempts). Bush is LAST IN THE NFL in yds per carry. How long will he be a decoy for? It doesn't make sense.

Reggie Bush has 70 rushes for 212 yards. Thats a whopping 3.0 yards per carry. How many TDs? Zero. This is behind the exact same line that has let McCallister rush for over 4.7 yards per carry (and 4 TDs!). And don't say its because Bush isn't getting carries, because Deuece only has 26 more carries (over 7 games thats less than 4 per game more than Bush is getting).

Bush is a league leader in receptions, but his yards per reception is pretty embarassing. While catching 42 balls, he's only amassed 290 yards receiving. Compare this to Colston ( 33 receptions, 577 yards, 17.5 ypc, 6 tds) or Horn (30 receptions, 507 yards, 16.9 ypc, 3 tds) or even ANOTHER slot guy, Henderson (8 receptions, 107 yards, 13.8 ypc, 1 td) production on the same team. And how many receiving tds has Bush managed catching the ball 42 times? Again, 0...

He has also fumbled and lost the ball twice, despite ESPN crediting the last one to Brees. He has also thrown for an interception.

So in retrospect, Bush has rushed the ball 70 times, received the ball out of the slot 42 times, and amassed a total of 512 yards, with ZERO touchdowns. He's had the ball 112 times, and never scored...

People can claim all they want that defenses are keying on him, that he is a special athelete just waiting to bust out, that the Texans are stupid for passing on him, but the fact is none of that is true. After 8 weeks defenses would not be keying on him so much with no production. Defenses key on LT, LJ, Tiki all the time and they still put up huge numbers. Not Bush. Is he a special athelete? Yep, he's a great athlete. He just hasn't learned that his dancing and outside running won't work in the NFL, and even when he does, his style of running won't work between the tackles.

People can claim all they want that defenses are keying on him, that he is a special athelete just waiting to bust out, that the Texans are stupid for passing on him, but the fact is none of that is true. After 8 weeks defenses would not be keying on him so much with no production. Defenses key on LT, LJ, Tiki all the time and they still put up huge numbers. Not Bush. Is he a special athelete? Yep, he's a great athlete. He just hasn't learned that his dancing and outside running won't work in the NFL, and even when he does, his style of running won't work between the tackles.

But honestly, he is not a decoy (you have to be effective for that), he is not a running back (he is horrible), but he is a decent reciever (tons of catches, but at the bottom of the league in yds per catch).

 

[CHI-TOWNSAINT]

That is what I have been saying. He isn't putting up any numbers. Absolutely no defensive cordinators are setting up their gameplan around him. QUOTE]

It sucks that you wrote all of that because I didn't get any further than this because it is totally false! Opposing teams have admitted as much..........Now I will read the rest, but your credibilty has taken a hit after the first paragraph!

 

[Jay Foster]

That is what I have been saying. He isn't putting up any numbers. Absolutely no defensive cordinators are setting up their gameplan around him. Especially after is last record setting game of 11 rushes for -5 yards.

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2444


You might want to read that thread as you could learn something as I doubt many people got past the lines I quoted. There are a lot of experienced posters on this board: some former players, coaches, etc. who seem to disagree with your assessment of our running game.

In the meantime, can you please explain why Deuce also agrees that teams are game planning to stop the run? This is also why he did not gain very many yards last game. But, as he said, it really doesn't matter because we just keep winning. And I agree.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Reggie displayed amazing vision while he was in college and I guarantee you he didn't lose that. Yes, he did love to hit the sidelines, but he cut it up when he had to. This guy was one of the best players in the history of college football, and it's not only because he played in the PAC-10. He has serious skills.

His proble right now is that he is not patient enough. Holes don't stay open very long in the NFL. He even said himself that that's the main different between the NCAA and the NFL. The holes are not as big, and they don't stay open as long.

Right now, Reggie always looking for big holes to open up immediately, and they're just not there. If he doesn't see them, he automatically goes to the sidelines to try to make something out of nothing.He needs to be more patient and let the blocking develop downfield and take what is given to him. It has nothing to do with vision, he is just trying way too hard to make the big play.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Reggie is playing too fast right now. He needs to slow down. Alot of people claim that he's not cutting up the field when he gets the ball, but actually he is, but he's doing it too quickly. Everytime he gets the ball fro Drew he is going full speed and this doesn't allow the blocking to develop so there is no hole. That's why you see him dancing in the backfield. He needs to slow down.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

That is what I have been saying. He isn't putting up any numbers. Absolutely no defensive cordinators are setting up their gameplan around him.

It sucks that you wrote all of that because I didn't get any further than this because it is totally false! Opposing teams have admitted as much..........Now I will read the rest, but your credibilty has taken a hit after the first paragraph!

I should have explained further. No defensive coordinators are doing that now. They were at the first half of the season, but seeing how Reggie has produced, they aren't as much anymore. There are more afraid of Deuce, than they are Reggie. Reggie has yet to prove himself. He hasn't impressed me at all. When I saw that 45-yard run in the pre-season, I was like "Yeah, Reggie is going to blow the roof off of the Superdome." But now, ten weeks into the season, he has yet to have a rush of over 20 yards.

I just haven't seen it yet. He has so many receptions, but dead last in YAC's. Receptions don't mean jack if you can't get more than 3 yards on the reception.

 

[iwitnesskr]

People can claim all they want that defenses are keying on him, that he is a special athelete just waiting to bust out, that the Texans are stupid for passing on him, but the fact is none of that is true. After 8 weeks defenses would not be keying on him so much with no production. Defenses key on LT, LJ, Tiki all the time and they still put up huge numbers. Not Bush. Is he a special athelete? Yep, he's a great athlete. He just hasn't learned that his dancing and outside running won't work in the NFL, and even when he does, his style of running won't work between the tackles.

Okay.. I spoke on this subject in a previous post.

Heres why I disagree with the point of other backs successes.

Imagine, being lined up in the backfield, only 40% of the time, and having a defense who heartedly committed to stopping you.

LJ, LT, Tiki etc...., do not face, a defense, that is 100% committed to stopping the run on every play.

Reggie is in a since our "Special Man", so when he lines up at running back it is an all out "Red Alert" to the defensive team.

If you are the defensive coordinator. And your #1 job is to stop the other teams most dangerous offensive weapon.

Which option would you chose:


Option 1: Have him play 40% of the snaps, and play him 100 % on those snaps when he lines up at the tailback,

or

Option 2: Have him play 100% of the game as a RB, And chose to play him hard core on 40 % of the snaps.


Think about it.............................

option 1: Is Reggie Bush

Option 2: Every other featured back in the league.


In this situation if I'm the defensive coordinator, i'd want to play Reggie Bush every Sunday. No other back in the league would be as dominant in Reggies situation. No way LT would have as many Highlight Reels if he was not the feature back. If coordinators only had to worry about LT on 40% of the chargers plays. I garuntee the defenses coordinator would go 100% all out to stop him on all those specific plays. For any running back option one, as bad hand to be dealth.


Throughout the course of a game, coordinators have to go laid back against the run, or you will get killed in the Passing game, and that as why we continue to put up rediculous pass #'s when Reggie is in the game (good job Coach Payton). Teams are sacrificing their pass defense to committ to the run.

Good thinking by the opposing coordinators, Better stategy by Coach Payton. He'll take having Reggie average 3 yards a carry if that means his passing game will be unstoppable.

6-2 aint never hurt nobody....

 

[Deuuuuce]

I should have explained further. No defensive coordinators are doing that now. They were at the first half of the season, but seeing how Reggie has produced, they aren't as much anymore. There are more afraid of Deuce, than they are Reggie. Reggie has yet to prove himself. He hasn't impressed me at all. When I saw that 45-yard run in the pre-season, I was like "Yeah, Reggie is going to blow the roof off of the Superdome." But now, ten weeks into the season, he has yet to have a rush of over 20 yards.

I just haven't seen it yet. He has so many receptions, but dead last in YAC's. Receptions don't mean jack if you can't get more than 3 yards on the reception.

He hasn't had a great start, but the kid is way too talented to not turn it around. If you look at all the rookies in the NFL, it's very difficult to find any who are tearing up the league right now other than Colston. Reggie is 21 years old and he has a lot of football ahead of him. Be patient with him. In the mean time we have Deuce to show him the ropes.