Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (3 Viewers)

[Elvis]

Yeah, we really aren't that far apart. I'm a little more optimistic they can make it work. Might well not work, but sometimes it's worth a shot. And I agree around a 3rd or 4th with the Raiders eating a good portion of this year's salary would be what it takes. Raiders won't like it, but their options are actually limited. Really only two for them, keep Adams and cut him after the season and get nothing, or trade him now and pay a portion of the salary to send him somewhere for a draft pick. There really aren't any other options that I'm aware of.

Loomis has plenty of leverage. There's no need to overpay for Adams. It's pretty simple, if he doesn't feel like the numbers make sense, he can walk away. We're not that desperate to get him imo. Adams would definitely help, but it's not gonna wreck our season any worse if it doesn't happen.

And there may be other options that come up, like Cooper being a possible target. There's still plenty of time to make something happen before the trade deadline. Heck, for all we know, we could trade a player away for some draft picks. Who knows?

The Raiders could have other options if they lower the draft pick requirements. There are 5 or so teams currently in the playoff hunt that have enough cap space open right now that they could take on his contract, even more if a couple of weeks pass and the Raiders pay a few more checks. Many of them also could instantly convert some of his salary to signing bonus and kick his salary to future years because of how much future cap room they have. He might really make a difference on some of those teams, enough to cough up a 3rd and take on some salary. We are not one of the teams that can do those things.

 

[soggymoss84]

Those guys are not like Drew Brees. They are not guys you sell your future to give one last shot at a title for, especially with the team in it's current state.

If our entire future hinges on a single second round pick then we may as well go ahead and close up shop now, call up Ian Book and just have him start the rest of the season and tank…..

Giving up a single second round pick is not selling the future, or even close to it.

 

[DaveXA]

The Raiders could have other options if they lower the draft pick requirements. There are 5 or so teams currently in the playoff hunt that have enough cap space open right now that they could take on his contract, even more if a couple of weeks pass and the Raiders pay a few more checks. Many of them also could instantly convert some of his salary to signing bonus and kick his salary to future years because of how much future cap room they have. He might really make a difference on some of those teams, enough to cough up a 3rd and take on some salary. We are not one of the teams that can do those things.

Sure, I guess I'd want to know if Adams has a no-trade clause in his contract. He's already made it clear where he wants to go. So I'm not so sure the Raiders will be able to entertain other options unless they convince Adams to go along with it.

 

[St. Geezy]

So the NFL doesn't allow you to trade "cash considerations" the way other leagues do. That would be the only caveat to any deal.

With that said, there is one way around it, which would be for a player to convert base salary into a signing bonus before a trade, which would accelerate the cap hit onto the current team's cap that season (as well as actual cash paid). I can't remember if I've seen that or not in the NFL specifically, but it is an option.

Right…that’s actually exactly what I mean and why I used the phrase “cash assistance.” It would be them doing a restructure with his deal, something within their contractual rights, before sending him off.

 

[Elvis]

Sure, I guess I'd want to know if Adams has a no-trade clause in his contract. He's already made it clear where he wants to go. So I'm not so sure the Raiders will be able to entertain other options unless they convince Adams to go along with it.

My understanding is that he does not have a no trade clause. He has his preferences but that doesn't really mean much unless he plans to hold out or something. That would be an even more terrible look for him than requesting the trade in the first place.

 

[Elvis]

If our entire future hinges on a single second round pick then we may as well go ahead and close up shop now, call up Ian Book and just have him start the rest of the season and tank…..

Giving up a single second round pick is not selling the future, or even close to it.

I don't think you understand how shallow this team is. Every draft pick we lose is the loss of a potential 3-5 year player, not the 10-11 games we'd get out of Adams. And every dollar we add to future caps is a dollar less than we can spend on free agent depth. We've played that game for a while now and the team we're seeing on the field right now is the result. There is no need to compound those issues for a 10-11 game rental on what is looking more and more like a lost season.

 

[DaveXA]

I don't think you understand how shallow this team is. Every draft pick we lose is the loss of a potential 3-5 year player, not the 10-11 games we'd get out of Adams. And every dollar we add to future caps is a dollar less than we can spend on free agent depth. We've played that game for a while now and the team we're seeing on the field right now is the result. There is no need to compound those issues for a 10-11 game rental on what is looking more and more like a lost season.

Just my opinion, but declaring the season lost when you're 2-3 and about to play a division rival seems way premature. You may ultimately wind up being right, but if the Saints win this week, they're right back in the mix for the division.

 

[St. Geezy]

Honestly embarrassing you can hear it directly from Adams that he left the Packers due to them not offering him enough money and that's not good enough for some of y'all.

How can you be so married to your own bias and narratives that your ignore the actual individual directly saying why he left?

It doesn't matter if you can cite one thousand sources as to why he left. None of them matter when Devante Adams himself actually says why.

The mental gymnastics is astonishing.

I just watched the video. Nothing relevant to our discussion is talked about here.

Of course the reason he left was for the money. The context of this portion of the discussion you posted with Keyshawn was in regards to him being "Stupid" for leaving Aaron Rodgers, and he said it was because of the contract dispute.

This player had options however, and leverage to be able to choose his destination based on the fact that the acquiring team would have to give up significant assets and would in-turn want a long term commitment from him, so he was in position to effectively choose his spot. With that in mind, it was well known and well reported that he decided he wanted the Raiders to be his destination due to his close relationship with Carr.

Perhaps you're misremembering or wasn't paying as close attention to this saga as others were, but this is 100% truth and not being made up. It was pretty much the league's worst kept secret that off-season that he was angling to go play with the Raiders and Carr.

I know you like quotes and videos from the player...how about this one?

Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver Davante Adams on quarterback Derek Carr being benched, "I wouldn't be here right now if he wasn't here"

 

[kcirdor]

Season aint over, we got 2 qbs that are mobile and that will help cover holes in the oline and give us a chance on offense.

 

[Elvis]

Just my opinion, but declaring the season lost when you're 2-3 and about to play a division rival seems way premature. You may ultimately wind up being right, but if the Saints win this week, they're right back in the mix for the division.

You may be right. I’m just looking at the team in terms of health and depth. Even if we were to get fully healthy eventually, I don’t think we’re the team we saw in weeks 1 and 2. I’m also not kidding myself thinking that the injuries are going to suddenly stop. We’re losing guys every single week.

 

[St. Widge]

Just my opinion, but declaring the season lost when you're 2-3 and about to play a division rival seems way premature. You may ultimately wind up being right, but if the Saints win this week, they're right back in the mix for the division.

It might be a little premature, but by the time an Adams deal would be done we will play one if not two more games and we have no interior OL and we are either going to start a rookie QB or a 2nd year QB with no starting experience in those games. There is some chance they could win those games, more likely Denver because they are not good and are starting a rookie QB, but they could easily lose both in this situation. So, by the time trade could happen there is a very real possibility of being 2-5. At that point, maybe your best hope is 9 wins and that would take a major run and major turnaround. It's possible if everyone gets healthy, but IMO it's not likely.

 

[St. Geezy]

Sure, I guess I'd want to know if Adams has a no-trade clause in his contract. He's already made it clear where he wants to go. So I'm not so sure the Raiders will be able to entertain other options unless they convince Adams to go along with it.

He does not have a no trade clause, however SOMEWHAT similar to his previous trade situation, the type of assets required to move him will likely require a commitment by him to his new team on a contract that goes beyond this year and is financially feasible/ideal for the acquiring team.

I don’t think any team is trading for that contract as-is, regardless of their available cap space.

So in effect, his de facto no trade clause is his willingness to play nice with his contract with a new team, I think.

Besides, Adams strikes me as the type of player and a guy respected enough that no team is going to send anything significant for him if they know he has no desire to be there. It’s a unique situation.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Just my opinion, but declaring the season lost when you're 2-3 and about to play a division rival seems way premature. You may ultimately wind up being right, but if the Saints win this week, they're right back in the mix for the division.

Premature ejacolantern

 

[Elvis]

He does not have a no trade clause, however SOMEWHAT similar to his previous trade situation, the type of assets required to move him will likely require a commitment by him to his new team on a contract that goes beyond this year and is financially feasible/ideal for the acquiring team.

I don’t think any team is trading for that contract as-is, regardless of their available cap space.

So in effect, his de facto no trade clause is his willingness to play nice with his contract with a new team, I think.

Besides, Adams strikes me as the type of player and a guy respected enough that no team is going to send anything significant for him if they know he has no desire to be there. It’s a unique situation.

Do you happen to know if his agent has been given permission to discuss that with potential trading partners or if it's like when Carr was being shopped and they had to have trade parameters in place before they would allow him to talk to other teams?

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Well he signed with LV because he wanted to play with DC and then McDaniels was incompetent and they let him walk. Davis went cheap and kept Pierce as HC. They completely ignored the QB problem. Let Jacobs walk. Just kind of overall being the Raiders. Don't think that would sit well with me either

That's a bit unfair to Pierce. He may turn out to be a fine HC. He finished the season as the interim and did well. And I believe the players like him. We'll see.