The next head coach is inheriting a mess (7 Viewers)

[wwepatriot]

Our QB room is better than most. I still believe Haener can be a starter under the right development and coaches, verdict still out on what Rattler brings. Carr is capable but he needs someone in his face similar to how Sean was in Jameis face.

 

[St. Widge]

Wasn’t long ago we were talking about how old Kamara is in RB years. Olave and Shaheed both have durability concerns. The OL might end up being enough of a strength to build on. The QB room is okay and some coach might be legitimately interested in working with Rattler or Haener (if they liked what they saw scouting them as prospects) with a chance to bring another young guy in, also.

But I think you hit on the key point with the 2-3 year timeline on potentially normalizing the cap situation to the point it’s not a barrier to success. 2-3 years of mediocre or worse results and fans are ready to run a coach off. And that has me thinking about expectations; both fans and the team.

I'm not saying there aren't issues. But looking at AK run against Carolina made me think he isn't one of them. Some RBs for whatever reason excel at older ages. Maybek AK is one of them?

Anyway, yes, I think our biggest advantage is that this organization has always been willing to be patient no matter how bloodthirsty the fans are and we have a solid owner who has shown she cares and knows what is going on. In addition, it's an organization that has shows it will spend whatever it can to give the coach the players they want. That goes a long way in making a HC candidate comfortable with a job.

So what we might not offer in tangibles (other than a big fat contract) we might be able to offer in intangibles. Plus, there are only likely going to be 6 or so jobs available so there will be a good candidate available. Just have to pick the right one like we did when Payton wasn't at the top of lists.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I think it’s very likely that there will be at least two more firings that will create additional job openings . Eberflus(Chicago) and Peterson(Jacksonville) are both on the hot seat. Both of those situations are better than what we currently have. Chicago and Jacksonville have young QBs and some talent to work with.

Our best selling point will be that we have patient ownership and management. Whoever comes here will get at least 2-3 years like Allen did. I’m not sure that’s enough to land the best coach on the market, but I hope I’m wrong.

 

[No2DC]

Our talent isn’t limited. Many on here said the sky was going to fall due to the loss of McCoy mainly and then they proceeded to make more excuses bc of more injuries. The flip side is we could’ve/should’ve won 3 games without all those guys at minimum. So the talent is there.
Ownership is non-questionable bc our owner actually back channeled communication with players about the problem. So Gayle did what she had to do. I am questioning ML though, but he’s not the owner and can be replaced if he doesn’t fall in line.
The cap is always a “problem” on the surface, but we always figure it out. Khai and Mickey always have a plan, for the next two to three years. It’s what they do. Just bc they don’t disclose their plan to us, doesn’t mean that they don’t have one.
You want to see dysfunction? Look at the team that just beat us. Tepper is a whack job. They have to restart their plan bc they ruined the plan by sending all of those picks for Bryce. Only for him to being replaced next year. Plus, if he somehow manages to win a couple more games, they may stick with him, and he will eventually get replaced in the immediate future.

How many pro-bowl caliber players do we have in their prime? Olave? Latt? Both have injury concerns moving forward.
Have we answered the QB question, no. Having the right guy at QB solves a lot of issues. Carr is a lower mid-tier guy beneath a guy like Cousins, and our quarterback backups are to be determined later. Neither of those guys is worth passing on a blue chip in the draft.
Benson apparently did something no one saw coming: overruled Loomis. That said, we're still talking about a group of seniors who do not have a under 60 heir to turn the team over to like the boys or Pitt.
The cap is an issue we need to stop playing refinance with. Yes, it can be stabilzed but only after cutting loses over a 2-3 year period.
Yes, someone will take the ob but we need to stop fooling ourselves like we're an ideal place.

 

[soggymoss84]

What jobs will be open?
Jets and Saints for sure. After those two you have possibly:
Jags
Raiders
Bengals
Browns
Panthers

Out of all of those teams besides the Bengals, we would be the most attractive job. Jets, Raiders, Panthers have all shown to have meddling impatient front offices and owners, Browns are a mess, and Jags are kind of mediocre and have an owner looking to move the team overseas.

 

[St. Widge]

Right, but there are degrees to that.

Payton talked about passing on the Raiders job before eventually landing with the Saints. It’s made me wonder how much that might actually happen. Taking the wrong job can really tarnish a coach’s marketability.

Entirely speculative but I never thought the Saints were in the running for McDaniel in 2020, even if they had interest. Would you agree there were some important differences in the attractiveness of those openings? Same with Jax and a coach getting to work with Lawrence (at the time) vs Winston-Hill-Book or drafting Pickett, Riddler etc.

I agree all the open jobs are different but each has its advantages and disadvantages. Some coaches won't want to work in New York and have to deal with Aaron Rodgers and that rabid NY media. Some coaches won't think they can make Lawrence better and they would be stuck with him. Where as some might like Carr or the fact that they can be rid of him after one year.

 

[DavidM]

Yes, someone will take the ob but we need to stop fooling ourselves like we're an ideal place.

I mostly agree with you, but on this point, I’m not ignoring that there are ways the team can potentially make the opening a lot more attractive in overcoming the circumstances a new coach will be inheriting. Patience and money. Both of which aren’t often well received by fans.

In the abstract, it’s easy for us to point to patience and money. Patience takes on a whole new meaning two years into subpar football, which we know all too well. But given everything working against the next coach, 2-3 poor-average seasons might be inevitable.

 

[St. Widge]

Yes, someone will take the ob but we need to stop fooling ourselves like we're an ideal place.

Who claimed it was ideal? None of the open jobs are ideal. Otherwise they wouldn't be open.

We heard the same stuff about the OC search but in the end we got a good OC candidate.

 

[DavidM]

What jobs will be open?
Jets and Saints for sure. After those two you have possibly:
Jags
Raiders
Bengals
Browns
Panthers

Out of all of those teams besides the Bengals, we would be the most attractive job. Jets, Raiders, Panthers have all shown to have meddling impatient front offices and owners, Browns are a mess, and Jags are kind of mediocre and have an owner looking to move the team overseas.

Giants and Cowboys, potentially. Eagles wouldn’t shock me just because of Lurie’s track record with coaching moves.

 

[No2DC]

I mostly agree with you, but on this point, I’m not ignoring that there are ways the team can potentially make the opening a lot more attractive in overcoming the circumstances a new coach will be inheriting. Patience and money. Both of which aren’t often well received by fans.

In the abstract, it’s easy for us to point to patience and money. Patience takes on a whole new meaning two years into subpar football, which we know all too well. But given everything working against the next coach, 2-3 poor-average seasons might be inevitable.

As long as it is stated in the beginning, I'm fine with that. 2-3 years to get out of the cap hole and rebuild the talent.

 

[St. Widge]

What jobs will be open?
Jets and Saints for sure. After those two you have possibly:
Jags
Raiders
Bengals
Browns
Panthers

Out of all of those teams besides the Bengals, we would be the most attractive job. Jets, Raiders, Panthers have all shown to have meddling impatient front offices and owners, Browns are a mess, and Jags are kind of mediocre and have an owner looking to move the team overseas.

Even the Bengals job has its issues. Yes they have Burrow which trumps most things, but their owners are cheap and won't pay to build the team around him.

 

[soggymoss84]

Giants and Cowboys, potentially. Eagles wouldn’t shock me just because of Lurie’s track record with coaching moves.

I don’t see Giants moving on from Daboll just yet, I believe they will give him another season.

Cowboys and Dolphins would be my wildcard, and if the Dolphins were dumb enough to fire McDaniels, we should jump on the phone with him immediately.

 

[No2DC]

Who claimed it was ideal? None of the open jobs are ideal. Otherwise they wouldn't be open.

We heard the same stuff about the OC search but in the end we got a good OC candidate.

Obviously, some jobs are better than others. How good Klint actually is remains to be seen. No one says I'm going to take the most challenging job, if they can they look for the best chances for success. The Bears (1st pick), Commanders (2nd pick), and Chargers (Herbert) last year were all more attractive than this job currently.

 

[HattiesburgWhoDat]

I don’t see Giants moving on from Daboll just yet, I believe they will give him another season.

Cowboys and Dolphins would be my wildcard, and if the Dolphins were dumb enough to fire McDaniels, we should jump on the phone with him immediately.

What has happened in miami? It was just last year I think I was reading articles about McDaniels being a Wonder Boy wasn't it?

 

[SweetT]

How many pro-bowl caliber players do we have in their prime? Olave? Latt? Both have injury concerns moving forward.
Have we answered the QB question, no. Having the right guy at QB solves a lot of issues. Carr is a lower mid-tier guy beneath a guy like Cousins, and our quarterback backups are to be determined later. Neither of those guys is worth passing on a blue chip in the draft.
Benson apparently did something no one saw coming: overruled Loomis. That said, we're still talking about a group of seniors who do not have a under 60 heir to turn the team over to like the boys or Pitt.
The cap is an issue we need to stop playing refinance with. Yes, it can be stabilzed but only after cutting loses over a 2-3 year period.
Yes, someone will take the ob but we need to stop fooling ourselves like we're an ideal place.

You don’t need an excess of Pro Bowl players. The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest at best for voting. You just need guys who understand their assignments and executes them. Once you have that, the wins rack up, and the Pro Bowl votes come in bc people mainly vote for players on winning teams.