The organization and the culture (5 Viewers)

[SaintsFanInLA]

But to go one and act like this is the 70s is contradicting.
The Saints are just a franchise that’s going through the motions after a long sustained run.

And if you wanna get technical.
We have the same number of Super Bowls as the Eagles.
In the last 40 years, the Steelers only have two.
The Packers only have two Super Bowls since the 70s.
For all the success the Vikings have had dating back to Bud Grant, they have no Super Bowls.

To be fair, acting like this is 2009 or 2018 is contradictory. It really is.

The Eagles are 1-3 in Super Bowls, they have more appearances than us, so we are STILL worse off than they are and they are losers.

You can't be serious with the Steelers, they have 6 Titles.

The Packers have 4 Lombardis. The trophy is named after THEIR HEAD COACH. LOLOL

The Vikings ARE losers. You're making my point.

Again, I never said that we were the ONLY losing franchise. But we are an organization of losers UNTIL we are not. This organization is still upside down in playoff wins AND regular season wins. Drew Brees should have been to at least 4 SBs, IMHO. The fact that he never made it back is criminal but we saddled him with the worst defenses in the history of the NFL.

Show me where we've turned it around. Show me where there is a glimmer of hope. I'm honestly listening.

 

[SaintsFanInLA]

Now, let's say we win that game against the Rams, 11-12. We go to the SB in Atlanta & beat Brady? Tied playoff record.

That would DEFINITELY help. Big time.

 

[Saint Jack]

To be fair, acting like this is 2009 or 2018 is contradictory. It really is.

The Eagles are 1-3 in Super Bowls, they have more appearances than us, so we are STILL worse off than they are and they are losers.

You can't be serious with the Steelers, they have 6 Titles.

The Packers have 4 Lombardis. The trophy is named after THEIR HEAD COACH. LOLOL

The Vikings ARE losers. You're making my point.

Again, I never said that we were the ONLY losing franchise. But we are an organization of losers UNTIL we are not. This organization is still upside down in playoff wins AND regular season wins. Drew Brees should have been to at least 4 SBs, IMHO. The fact that he never made it back is criminal but we saddled him with the worst defenses in the history of the NFL.

Show me where we've turned it around. Show me where there is a glimmer of hope. I'm honestly listening.

Look at the Packers post Lombardi to Favre.
A literal desert. Nothing. 30 years of trash.
My parents weren’t even 10 when Lombardi won those championships.

And yes, the Steelers have six, but in recent history, they have two.
Not taking anything away, but there was a twenty six year gap.

And the Eagles weren’t anything special before Reid. And they still have the same number of Super Bowls as the Saints.

 

[Saint Jack]

To be fair, acting like this is 2009 or 2018 is contradictory. It really is.

The Eagles are 1-3 in Super Bowls, they have more appearances than us, so we are STILL worse off than they are and they are losers.

You can't be serious with the Steelers, they have 6 Titles.

The Packers have 4 Lombardis. The trophy is named after THEIR HEAD COACH. LOLOL

The Vikings ARE losers. You're making my point.

Again, I never said that we were the ONLY losing franchise. But we are an organization of losers UNTIL we are not. This organization is still upside down in playoff wins AND regular season wins. Drew Brees should have been to at least 4 SBs, IMHO. The fact that he never made it back is criminal but we saddled him with the worst defenses in the history of the NFL.

Show me where we've turned it around. Show me where there is a glimmer of hope. I'm honestly listening.

It’s been 8 seasons since 2017 and only two of them have been losing seasons.

 

[Lafexpress]

It’s been 8 seasons since 2017 and only two of them have been losing seasons.

There is some real talent for the offensive and Defensive line in this draft, Saints if he is available, should run to the mike and draft Mason Graham, then draft OT from Ohio State Simmons, followed by either Mason Taylor or Jackson Dart, then start trading for extra picks in rounds 4, & 5, Guards, edge and DT"s, maybe a true Guard!

 

[sfidc3]

My goodness, an injury plagued year with our offensive unit all hurt and it's time to reset...

We need depth.

It's almost as if some haven't been watching the last 3 freakin years.....

 

[gregh]

the culture of brees and payton is gone, its now becoming a losing culture

 

[VikesFan2017]

Let's see if the Vikings, Lions, or Bills break the curse this season.

Oh, wouldn't that be nice. But I'm not counting on it.

 

[LiterOCola]

Winning minded organizations don’t hire Dennis Allen as a head coach.

 

[bayoumilitia]

I agree with you and Drew did take a little less to stay here. I guess where I was going with it is he was a big part in player association in contract talks trying to maximize money for players. Just seems like would be a hard reversal. But if they paid him the money, I'm sure he could do it.

Yeah I’m basically pipe dreaming but maybe as kinda like a consultant to Ms Gayle and our GM assuming Loomis gets moved to a different position and we hire a new GM. I know that’s a big assumption…..

 

[DSnfla]

You fire everyone and do a complete reset this offseason, including clearing as much of the cap as possible, or you end up this decade's Browns.

That's exacatly HOW you become the Browns tank and fire everyone. And just who is going to hire all these top notch Pres of football opps , GM and HC?? Mrs B???

 

[DSnfla]

Doctors don't cause hamstring injuries. If anything, they are caused by training staffs, health and nutrition staffs, and how the coach sets practices. None of them have anything to do with Ochsner.

You need to throw PLAYERS in that equation. Could be THEY need to take better care of their OWN bodies since they make MILLIONS with them

 

[DSnfla]

New England has maintained a winning culture? They haven't been in the playoffs since 2021 and their record over the past 4 years is very similar to ours. They are experiencing the same thing we are. They are trying to move on after their HoF QB retired/left.

And KC is winning because they have a great franchise QB that will no doubt be in the HoF.

What has happened is our fans have lost the stomach to deal with a rebuild. The truth is that we are in a rebuild and our fans are already losing their sheet over a 5 win season with a huge number of injuries. If they really tore it all down our fans wouldn't be able to deal with it. We were spoiled by Drew Brees and Sean Payton and have forgotten what it's like without a HoF QB and HoF head coach. It's going to take some patience until we can find a franchise QB and a good to great head coach.

And the problem is the same people that are yelling to fire everybody and tear it down will be the ones that complain the loudest how we go 3-14 for 2 or 3 yrs in that tear down SMH

 

[Cajun Chat]

First off this is a rather long post and might bore many casual Saints fans or fans that are already predisposed to their own thoughts on why we win and why we lose. Which I realize that on an individual game basis a win or loss can be determined by a ton of individual decisions, reasons, calls, and plays. However, in my opinion sustained winning and or losing is determined by something much more intangible, CULTURE.

So for well over the past year or so I personally thought I was on an island by myself when it came to some of my views of the Saints organization and their woes. As I started to share my views on what I thought ailed the Saints with my friends and fellow football fanatics I began to find out that I wasn’t the only one that felt the way I felt or shared similar opinions. Same here, on SR. Yes there’s always going to be half the board that takes one side and half the other. Half the board blames a loss on this or that, half on something else. So on and so forth.

I recently caught myself getting wrapped up into the kinda back and forth posting that I honestly loathe. Granted, nobody’s getting hurt and it’s only opinions but still I use to pride myself on taking the high road or uniting the fan base not ripping it apart. Then again, this is what losing does not just to players and coaches but also to fans. It brought me back to when I was a kid and the rough seasons as the “AINT’S” and the finger pointing. Our organization and fan base was hardly a united front back then either.

Throughout our franchise history there has been attempts to change the culture of our organization. Some attempts by coaches, some by GMs, heck some by owners (right Mr. Benson?). Usually with mixed results, until as many of you have pointed out we caught lightning in a bottle with SP, ML and DB9. Where I get off track as a fan and as SR member is arguing with people about who’s to credit for our success from 2006 to 2019 and who’s to blame for the lack of success since 2019.

There are points to be made on both sides for sure but the one thing i think everyone can agree on is that the “culture”, the winning culture or mindset that was once well established in our facilities, players, and organization is no longer there. It’s the old Vince Lombardi saying “chase perfection, catch excellence”. In my opinion it’s been a long minute since our entire organization, from top to bottom, each and every man has chased perfection.

I feel this way only based on what I see starting with the play on the field. The mistakes, the lack of focus, lack of execution, just overall inconsistency and that has played out with our win/loss record since 2019. Middle of the road effort gets you middle of the road results. Nope, it’s not just on the players, we all know that coaches have to set the tone, and at the end of the day fall on the sword for lack of performance.

The FO is just as culpable in the quagmire of complacency as well. Wether it was appeasing SP with silly player contracts that hurt the team, poor draft selections or the constant restructuring of veteran contracts converting money to signing bonuses in order to spread the cap hit but kick the can down the road. For what? To maintain our “window to win it all”? Really.

For the past 2 seasons I wanted both DA and ML gone. DA is gone and I still want ML gone. My exact sentiment is that I’d like Ms. Benson to terminate the contracts of the entire old guard FO in Mickey, Dennis Lauscha and Greg Bensel. I’ll go a step further, I’d like to see Gayle Benson hire an outside consulting firm to come in and analyze/audit every aspect of both the Pelicans/Saints organization’s to include every internal and external department. Including contracted medical staff, doctors, trainers even massage personnel (see hamstring issues).

We all know the definition of insanity, “doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results”. Well folks what the Saints have been doing the past 4 years has definitely been insane. To be clear, I don’t hate Mickey or anyone in the FO, I just think that they are part of this now culture of complacency that is plaguing the organization as a whole. The organization in my opinion needs an entire overhaul from top to bottom and the FO has to be part of that turnover if we want to move forward and try to catch that lightning in a bottle again.

As a veteran of almost 34 years I know just how important culture is to organizational success. I also know that when you reset an organization to change a culture or a mindset you don’t just change one or two people, you change everyone in leadership.

My wish, and I know that it will never happen would be for Ms. Gayle to bring in Drew as the GM. I know, he doesn’t need the money and probably doesn’t want to invest the time. However I do trust his football acumen (even more than John Lynch) to come in a rebuild the organization from top to bottom. To find the right coaches, players and create a culture of winning that breeds success. In my opinion as an organization I think that we would have a better chance at winning a Lombardi sooner with Drew as our GM than Mickey.

As fans we can agree to disagree and share our opinions on SR. I think we can all agree though that as an organization we are in need of some drastic changes.

He would be a great GM or even HC but he's too busy raising kids that are barely reaching teenage years or younger. He won't give that up to do a job that commands a good part of your life!

 

[DSnfla]

A rebuild doesn't require you to get rid of all of your players and start from scratch. Teams are no more likely to succeed by getting rid of everyone before rebuilding over than keeping some players and rebuilding. It's been done successfully both ways and usually takes much longer when you get rid of everyone and start from scratch. Frankly the entire concept of a "rebuild" is just bullshirt talk used by teams to try to stop fans from expecting them to win games. All NFL teams are trying to build a winning roster every year. Some do it and some don't. Calling it rebuilding is just an excuse for sucking.

But thanks for another rant about Loomis when I didn't mention Loomis and I would personally prefer it if he was no longer the GM. But, please don't let that stop you.

I think for me in order to get some fresh eyes and ears in the organization would be for ML to have a position just above the GM and under Lausha. Underhill thanks and I agree that if ML was to change positions it more than likey would be someone around the organization would be the GM. Like maybe a Dave Ziegler or a Michael Parenton. Part of me thinks someone that not close to the organization would be the move for a different perspective. But Ziegler or Parenton could have some fresh ideas of their own.

Either way no matter what anyone says having ML involved in the hiring process of a new HC is an advantage. He saw the qualities of a HOF coach once. He watched SP in the good and bad he did. Yes , DA was a miscalculation but there were a lot of people that thought the hire was fine. You don't just forget what the qualities that your looking for in a HC