UnitedHealth CEO shot (5 Viewers)

[SWJJ]

 

[0rion]

Is there really any ‘may be broken’ about it?
If one wants to make a distinction between broken and ‘ridiculously flawed and almost completely biased socially and economically’ I suppose that distinction could be made
But your scenario of broken system vs vigilante justice seems to argue that no crime should ever be punished
If health companies can get away with letting people die (or sending them in bankruptcy) so the shareholders get more money - if that action can’t have consequences- what’s the point of having any consequences?

Those consequences are the CEO being shot in the back? That's a coward move firstly and secondly are people naive enough to believe that rights any wrongs? Another CEO will gladly take his place. That's not how you fix things.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Correct, but its closer to what single payer looks like than purely private health insurance (hence the Medicare for All movement). Medicare is not trying to ape the private healthcare model - in the case of the Anthem/anesthesiologist kerfluffle it's the other way around.

it seems hard to draw links though - like I don't think we should assume that public education that we have in this country would look/work the same if there weren't private school options - I think public education would be very different if it was universal

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Those consequences are the CEO being shot in the back? That's a coward move firstly and secondly are people naive enough to believe that rights any wrongs? Another CEO will gladly take his place. That's not how you fix things.

i'm not sure that addresses what you and then I wrote

 

[saintmdterps]

LOL -never waste a crisis, says the doctors trade association.

Everyone has a story about crazy medical bills but then they’re ready to shoot more people when an insurer tries to follow Medicare’s approach to putting a cap on certain expenses.

Well played by the anesthesiologists, who already average about $350k annually.

“We want lower costs! Medicare 4 All!”
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“Not like that!!”

Problem is that the insurer is not really trying to cap the cost of procedures, but rather what they will pay those who undergo the procedures. Managed Medicare is a great way to save money, just pray you never get hospitalized and then need a stay in acute-sub-acute rehab. Someone sitting 1000 miles away will direct your care, and you and your interdisciplinary team have no say. No say at all

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

Health insurence is horrible. There needs to be major reform. Its almost crosses the threshold and is a ponzie scheme.

I’m kinda leaning towards it being sanctioned homicide for many (on top of the Ponzi scheme that it is)

 

[superchuck500]

Yeah.

 

[kcirdor]

Dual breast pockets, vs no pockets... yep not him. How was this even released? Now we are looking for young jake gyllenhaal

 

[efil4stnias]

Dual breast pockets, vs no pockets... yep not him. How was this even released? Now we are looking for young jake gyllenhaal

i was thinking same LOLOL ( with a little Jared Leto sprinkled in there )

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Problem is that the insurer is not really trying to cap the cost of procedures, but rather what they will pay those who undergo the procedures. Managed Medicare is a great way to save money, just pray you never get hospitalized and then need a stay in acute-sub-acute rehab. Someone sitting 1000 miles away will direct your care, and you and your interdisciplinary team have no say. No say at all

I'm familiar believe me. I had surgery that required a week of in-patient rehab at a different facility. I was ready to be discharged but did not have insurer approval to go to the rehab facility - and they said it may take days to review all my records before approving it. Fortunately we are self-funded health plan so I was able to get our HR dept to ram it through. UHC is our administrator but ultimately my employer is writing the checks and has final say if there is a question. I am fortunate that my company plan is set up that way and we treat our people very well.

I don't have any great answers and do not hold up the current model as being anything other than FUBAR, and it is, like most human endeavors, subject to the Cost-Speed-Quality triangle.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

Yeah.

 

[Dragon]

Yes. The whole system from the education of our medical professionals to our food supply. However, medical insurance is absolutely the problem. A very big problem.

I have 2 decades working in healthcare on both the acute care/delivery side of things as well as clinical development. This is is broken. Very few things actually work well.

Focusing on the cost of education, as some have mentioned, is indeed a vital step. If doctors didn’t have to start their careers burdened with massive debt, it would undoubtedly alleviate some of the systemic strain.

Another significant issue is the inefficiency of the billing and administrative processes. Think about the countless hours spent managing insurance claims, billing, and other paperwork just to keep the system running. How much of those resources could be redirected toward actual patient care? The disparity between administrative costs and the funds that go directly to patient treatment is staggering—a clear waste that impacts society as a whole.

On a personal note, I was recently diagnosed with a serious degenerative disease, and I feel incredibly fortunate to live in a country where I can receive optimal treatment and care without the additional burden of worrying about how to pay for it. This experience has only reinforced my belief in the importance of a healthcare system that prioritizes access and efficiency over bureaucracy

 

[bigdaddysaints]

The guy could've been a raging piece of work but I just think about his kids and what they're going through with this. No one deserves this and no one should be judge, jury, and executioner. The system may be broken and unfair but that still doesn't give some vigilante the right to take a father from their children. Hope they find this guy and he pays for what he's done. Will not bring their father back but will at least give them closure.

two wrongs never make a right.

do you think this CEO cared about the families that his cost saving measures of declining coverage destroyed?
i care for his family about as much as he cared for those families.
at least his family has someone to blame other than 'it helped a CEO get a multi million dollar bonus.
my insurance just recently sent out a letter that said they are not covering weight loss medication (wegovy, zepbound, etc) because they did a study and they don't know the health effects of long term use. but we'll continue to cover Monjuro, Ozympic for diabetic needs.
Monjuro same as Zepbound and Wegovy same as Ozympic.
one is covered one is not because of "not knowing long term effects".
I'm pre diabetic. I'm 2 points away from being Diabetic. since i will have to stop taking Zepbound, i will probably jump those two points in the future and will have to start taking Monjuro. now tell me how one shouldn't be covered and the other should be?
luckily my wife's insurance company ( who previously didn't cover weight loss) sent a letter with the exact opposite information that after a study, they decided the health benefits of weight loss medication to show improving results long term.
so as of Jan 1st I'm switching to my wife's plan.

no one deserves to be shot dead in cold blood. but losing someone you love over a cost a saving measure, i can understand how they can go to a dark place mentally, not that i condone it.
if it turns out to be the case, then i hope he gets off on av technicality or temporary insanity. if he did this out of vigilante justice to start a movement or whatever, then i hope he gets what he deserves.

 

[Mamba]

Yeah.

I’m gonna trust that there’s a reason they think it’s the same person, and not assume that they’re complete buffoons.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

two wrongs never make a right.

do you think this CEO cared about the families that his cost saving measures of declining coverage destroyed?
i care for his family about as much as he cared for those families.
at least his family has someone to blame other than 'it helped a CEO get a multi million dollar bonus.
my insurance just recently sent out a letter that said they are not covering weight loss medication (wegovy, zepbound, etc) because they did a study and they don't know the health effects of long term use. but we'll continue to cover Monjuro, Ozympic for diabetic needs.
Monjuro same as Zepbound and Wegovy same as Ozympic.
one is covered one is not because of "not knowing long term effects".
I'm pre diabetic. I'm 2 points away from being Diabetic. since i will have to stop taking Zepbound, i will probably jump those two points in the future and will have to start taking Monjuro. now tell me how one shouldn't be covered and the other should be?
luckily my wife's insurance company ( who previously didn't cover weight loss) sent a letter with the exact opposite information that after a study, they decided the health benefits of weight loss medication to show improving results long term.
so as of Jan 1st I'm switching to my wife's plan.

no one deserves to be shot dead in cold blood. but losing someone you love over a cost a saving measure, i can understand how they can go to a dark place mentally, not that i condone it.
if it turns out to be the case, then i hope he gets off on av technicality or temporary insanity. if he did this out of vigilante justice to start a movement or whatever, then i hope he gets what he deserves.