Hill vs Siemian why is there a debate? (1 Viewer)

[J.T.]

They might be out there, but if they are I would like to see them. Show me multiple plays where Hill has stood in the pocket and went through his read progression and delivered an accurate ball to his receiver. There might be multiple plays like that in his career. The thing is, Trevor has multiple plays like that while playing in a partial game, coming off a cold bench, while playing the defending Super Bowl Champs. Hill is not an NFL QB in my opinion. He might be able to fool you for a game or two, but he won't cut it as a full time starter.

 

[greatshow25]

Tyrell Williams of the Lions sustained a concussion in week 1 and still hasn't returned to the field. Detroit ended up putting him on IR.


Like I said, that was when it was finally decided (not until the Jacksonville pre-season game) that Jameis had earned the staring job; so he was pulled early. Trying to say that the QB competition wasn't very close for most of training camp is just trying to rewrite history

I don’t think it was close. If you listen during the off-season WWL kept saying Winston looked better. Yes I think Sean made it look closer than it was to spare Taysom’s feelings, and he still got butt hurt in the Jags game. He wanted Winston to earn it without flat out naming him QB1. This makes Winston who has been given everything in his life want it and play better. Then the fan base I love Hill but Winston is the better QB. Half the fans wanted the inferior QB to be QB1 because they like Hill and couldn’t believe he didn’t get the job. Hill can’t throw the deep ball even though had a big arm and doesn’t anticipate his throws. I think Hill will do good and win games.

 

[los226]

One of the negatives of Hill at QB is it negates the Saints’ strength skill position, RB.

 

[football]

This^ was the impressive part for me. Mentally he wasn't overwhelmed by having to come in and direct our offense. This (to me) is proof that he was prepared to lead the team even though he didn't get the kind of reps that he will get in practice this week. Whether starting or not, I trust that he will be even more prepared this week if/when his name is called. It was a tough situation to come into this past Sunday and he certainly handled himself well. I'm not convinced he won't start or see some opportunities against Atlanta this Sunday. We all know how Sean likes to rotate QBs to keep the opponents off balance. It'll be interesting to see what transpires this week.

I was a little shocked when his first snap was a pass.

 

[BroKV]

After all that’s happened, I think it’ll be Siemian at QB. Stick to the script that was planned for Winston. Probably will see a little more of TH being subbed in packages designed for him.

 

[Bill]

The Saints really don't need a flashy 'Drew Brees-style' of offense. They need a guy who can keep the sticks moving and eat up some clock. I'm not expecting either Trevor or Taysom to build a long resume' of 40-burger victories... and with our defense this year they don't have to pull of that feat.

We have seen Payton shift from fielding a 'pass-first' offense to creating a much more balanced attack. As it stands at this moment you can compare Siemian's skills to what we saw from Brees the last few years, where Taysom's attributes favor having a stronger ground game. Naturally the scary side of that plan is trying to have Taysom do the majority of the pounding.

Being able to trust our current receiving corps may contribute quite a bit to the style of offense that Payton will choose. But I still believe that we will see some 'quarterbacking by committee' in the weeks ahead. Sean did it a lot while Drew was still around and I see no reason that he won't do the same now. In some ways you can assume that the plan will be to keep the opponents' defensive coordinator guessing which style we are most likely to use. And that might just be a good thing.

 

[tjharris]

It's funny that two comments you see on this forum are:
Our WR are garbage, they can't get open.
&
Taysom makes 1 read then takes off running

I mean if the first is true, then the second is beneficial.

 

[Bill]

I was a little shocked when his first snap was a pass.

Me too... but isn't that typical Sean Payton? You could almost hear our head coach mumbling under his breath, "Don't tell me that I can't throw passes with my new guy."

 

[No2DC]

Now we are dealing with revisionist history. The "it was close" was a narrative not backed up by the preseason game stats or in camp. I get the Taysom supporters want him to get another shot, which is fine but at no point were either of them better than Jameis (14 TDs-3 INTs) with a 6-2 record throwing to one of the worst receiving groups in the league, an O line with people in and out, and away from home for more than a month. If we had decent receivers he would not have had to run so much. I feel like some of you were happy Jameis got hurt and are routing for him not to be back with the team. Sad.

 

[liveoakh]

Hill NEVER looked like he was the starter in comparison to Winston it was all semantics. Siemian entered the game and executed the offense something we've seen Hill do before but Siemian showed touch and an ability to find a passing window and though only one game appeared to scan the field and get and find his second, third and even fourth reads.

This offense does not need a super star quarterback to win, just a heady player with a natural natural feel for the passing game.

There are some aspects (not a shot against Winston) of Seimians game that made the offense flow naturally with his touch and pocket presence that makes people want to see more of him.

He gets the ball in the playmakers hands and that's really what Payton wants from his quarterbacks

Great post!

Siemian showed touch and an ability to find a passing window and though only one game appeared to scan the field and get and find his second, third and even fourth reads.

This tells you everything you need to know about who the starter is going to be. The Tampa game illustrated the trust Sean has in Trevor. More trust than he had with Jameis or Hill. Trevor threw it 29 times in three quaters, and was still throwing the ball in the last 2 min of the game.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Thing is has Trevor really ever had a chance? He was plying pretty decent in Denver until he was quickly benched for the new toy (Osweiler). Then bounced around as a backup. The kid has skills, but like Winston, this is probably his first stop where he has a coach who takes pride in putting his QBs in a position to win. Unless it’s a pride thing, After this weekend and probably blowing out Atlanta, it’s going to be really hard for Payton to bench him for Hill.

 

[Infoman]

It's pretty simple. Many fans here have a position bias against the guy (And it's silly). They can't fathom him not playing the quasi-role Sean literally created just for him. They think it's a "2 for 1" if we can keep him there (for like 5 plays a game) and let any other backup caliber guy play QB.

And I get it, it's a comfort level thing and a fear of the unknown. I simply don't buy that. I personally think that him having the ball in his hands on every play makes us better, and makes him more of a threat. I also think that he will get better and better as a passer the more he plays and the the more teams have to respect our run game (and they will have too)...

As I said in another thread, his overall numbers (Total yards and Total TDs per game) and win percentage last year as the starter were on par with what JW was doing this season. (Let's be honest) Both were not great, inconsistent, not always making the right read, and not accurate in certain areas of the field - Both guys had issues moving the offense consistently, but did enough to get wins with a great defense and all world running back. We are 31st in the NFL in Passing yards and comp % under JW through 7 games... How the hell can we be worse with Taysom?

I also think that some are afraid that he plays lights out, and never gives up the starting job... and "their guy" never gets another shot.

This love for Journeyman Trevor is just fans "wanting their cake and eating it too". It's predictable. It worked with JW and Taysom. The problem is, Trevor is not on the same level as either Taysom or JW. He's a career backup for a reason.

Trevor was a couple of questionable calls from giving the last game away... I give him credit for not having a complete meltdown, and getting us across the finish line, but he was not very good.... Maybe just OKAY.... Not sure what everyone else saw.

Taysom on the other hand is an all-world athlete with running back and QB skills that simply needs an opportunity to shine and a coach that can maximize his abilities and minimize his mistakes - he has that here - Sean had already done that with JW... He will do it with Taysom.

The only Question right now is... Is Taysom healthy? If so... He's the guy now.

 

[David Robbins]

if you watched hill play last year, you know why there is a debate.

 

[BoxerJoe]

Now we are dealing with revisionist history. The "it was close" was a narrative not backed up by the preseason game stats or in camp. I get the Taysom supporters want him to get another shot, which is fine but at no point were either of them better than Jameis (14 TDs-3 INTs) with a 6-2 record throwing to one of the worst receiving groups in the league, an O line with people in and out, and away from home for more than a month. If we had decent receivers he would not have had to run so much. I feel like some of you were happy Jameis got hurt and are routing for him not to be back with the team. Sad.

If you are referring to my posts, I specifically said this...

"Jameis didn't start to slowly pull away until about the time pre-season started and then when he threw those 2 TDs to Callaway against Jacksonville is when there was no doubt he had earned the starting job. I'm not saying this will be indicative of how Taysom does as starter now, but he was right there with Jameis in training camp for a good while."

That was all factual. You have to go pretty deep into Conspiracy Land to say that Payton had all the reporters in on presenting an extremely close QB competition throughout most of training camp to the fans. Everyone agreed that it was over and that Jameis won the battle fair and square, but that didn't happen until the Jacksonville pre-season game. That all said, I understand the reasons why some want Siemian to start now instead of Taysom and I wouldn't be mad at all if Trevor were to get the call this Sunday. No matter who gets the starting nod, we should all continue to root for the team and hope for more victories.

And no one is happy Jameis got hurt. That's a horrible spin to try to negatively paint anyone who didn't 100% believe he was THE guy right from the jump or even as the season progressed as a bad human being. Unless I missed it, Taysom supporters didn't say anything like, "I guess the Taysom haters are happy that he got a concussion because now he won't be stealing snaps from Jameis."

 

[Thunderchild]

I think that there is a very good chance that Taysom does not start at QB against the falcons. If he is not practicing this week, Siemian could very well start simply because he is better prepared than Taysom - even if Taysom is CSP's true #2.

Then we might see Taysom start after he has had a full week of practice.

So, what I am saying is that simply because Siemian starts this week might not mean that he has beaten Taysom out for the job going forward.