NS.. ex-NFL players sue league... It's starting to make sense now (3 Viewers)

[Flipx99]

So what's the answer? Should the NFL go and pay for every player that stepped foot on an NFL practice field whether they played for 1 day or 10 yrs? Keep in mind, research is showing that sub-concussive blows to the head are causing CTE in college athletes that have never had a diagnosed concussion.

I don't know, people were wanting to argue "assumption of risk" when it came to the players, perhaps the same argument could be made for the NFL. The league obviously knows that the players who enter the league have been playing for years and that many will come to them with a history of concussions.

 

[krushing]

This is a very complex subject. The league knows its a real serious problem but doesn't know what to do about it. It's hard to tell how this will play out. I really see both sides. If you were 50 and needed serious medical attention from hits you took in football, you would probably seek legal action to. It's one of those difficult issues where both sides have valid points. The difference between this and most cases is that there is enough money with the success of the league to make a difference. It's a very tough call.

 

[State Of Affairs]

I think employers should be able to injure their employees free from any consequences as long as the employees were able to buy houses! (do I even need to do the sarcasm thing?)

Just bad points points... Is that what's happening? The NFL is hurting their employees? They're taking a running start at them while they're trying to do some filing or patching some drywall at the training facility??

Or, are these players volineterily and knowingly receiving and dishing out hits with their head repetitively?

you're trying to make a connection that isn't there....

normal people go to work with the reasonable assumption that they will be protected from violance. NFL players go to work with the expectation that they will dish our and receive repetitive, violent abuse to their body. Because of that, it's asinine to think that they would go to the NFL and try to sue them for injuries.

 

[krushing]

You continue to make some ignorant points... Is that what's happening? The NFL is hurting their employees? They're taking a running start at them while they're trying to do some filing or patching some drywall at the training facility??

Or, are these players volineterily and knowingly receiving and dishing out hits with their head repetitively?

you're trying to make a connection that isn't there....

normal people go to work with the reasonable assumption that they will be protected from violance. NFL players go to work with the expectation that they will dish our and receive repetitive, violent abuse to their body. Because of that, it's asinine to think that they would go to the NFL and try to sue them for injuries.

It wouldn't be that hard to include disibility insurance and the option for long term medical insurgence going forward. I think the league is doing that. Now, just go back and take care of players from the past that have serious injuries. Worst case the owners and the players take a 1% pay cut to do what they are doing for today's players. It's not really that difficult once you think about it. Worst case 1.5%. Big deal. We are not talking about 50% of the profits to solve this. If a player can prove brain injury prevents a normal life, pay all their medical bills and give them 75k per year to help support their families... Regardless of how long they were in the league. Just cap the payments at 100g per year and keep the lawyers out of it.

 

[State Of Affairs]

It wouldn't be that hard to include disibility insurance and the option for long term medical insurgence going forward. I think the league is doing that. Now, just go back and take care of players from the past that have serious injuries. Worst case the owners and the players take a 1% pay cut to do what they are doing for today's players. It's not really that difficult once you think about it. Worst case 1.5%. Big deal. We are not talking about 50% of the profits to solve this. If a player can prove brain injury prevents a normal life, pay all their medical bills and give them 75k per year to help support their families... Regardless of how long they were in the league. Just cap the payments at 100g per year and keep the lawyers out of it.

Honestly... Im not against better post career health care, I'm just opposed to suing for injuries inharently part of their job...

I don't like the thoughts of team trainers (which if everyone doesn't understand, are doctors) deceiving or misleading players... BUT!!!! That is all speculation, no one here knows that all the team trainers are corrupt and doing that... I would think they're trying to get the players on the field as quickly as possible but I would suspect that the players are doing the exact same thing and are encouraging the trainers to help them get back on the field.

 

[Saint Jeremy]

Honestly... Im not against better post career health care, I'm just opposed to suing for injuries inharently part of their job...

I don't like the thoughts of team trainers (which if everyone doesn't understand, are doctors) deceiving or misleading players... BUT!!!! That is all speculation, no one here knows that all the team trainers are corrupt and doing that... I would think they're trying to get the players on the field as quickly as possible but I would suspect that the players are doing the exact same thing and are encouraging the trainers to help them get back on the field.

No one every signed a waiver saying that the NFL would not be responsible for brain damage. So your argument was moot. Otherwise this will get thrown out of court pretty quick.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want the NFL to take some responsibility. Sure the players made money, but not as much as the league and the owners.

 

[krushing]

Tricking players into playing with major injuries sounds far fetched today, but not so in the 50s,60s,and early 70's. That's a big part of here reason the league is going too far the other direction today

 

[State Of Affairs]

No one every signed a waiver saying that the NFL would not be responsible for brain damage. So your argument was moot. Otherwise this will get thrown out of court pretty quick.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want the NFL to take some responsibility. Sure the players made money, but not as much as the league and the owners.

I have no doubt that it will get thrown out or whatever and another idiot that does something stupid will get paid!!!!

I just said in the post u quoted that I'm all for better health care after their career. What more should they get? I guarentee the law suits aren't for life time health care... I haven't seen it or heard anything but I'll bet money that the law suit is for damages in the 10's of millions of dollars!! That's the BS part of this.... Then every player will sue for 10 or 20 million each.. Then what do youmthink will happen to the NFL when they have to play evry player who plays $5, 10 or 20 million each????

My point is how can you sue for doing something voluntarily? Stupid!!!

Give em all better health care!! I'm all for that but to sue because you got brain damage from voluntarily ramming your head over and over! That's just dumb but exactly what this country has come to... Be stupid then blame everyone else for not protecting you from yourself!!

 

[Saint Jeremy]

I have no doubt that it will get thrown out or whatever and another idiot that does something stupid will get paid!!!!

I just said in the post u quoted that I'm all for better health care after their career. What more should they get? I guarentee the law suits aren't for life time health care... I haven't seen it or heard anything but I'll bet money that the law suit is for damages in the 10's of millions of dollars!! That's the BS part of this.... Then every player will sue for 10 or 20 million each.. Then what do youmthink will happen to the NFL when they have to play evry player who plays $5, 10 or 20 million each????

My point is how can you sue for doing something voluntarily? Stupid!!!

Give em all better health care!! I'm all for that but to sue because you got brain damage from voluntarily ramming your head over and over! That's just dumb but exactly what this country has come to... Be stupid then blame everyone else for not protecting you from yourself!!

You are not getting that they are suing for better healtcare. They aren't getting adequate care after retirment (the players who played 10-20+ years ago). That is what the lawsuit is about. The NFL isn't going to do anything until the lawsuit goes through. That is the only recourse that these players have to get what you now admit they need. How many stories of guys who have dementia that have no health insurance and no money left to pay medical bills do you need to hear? Most likely this will turn into a class action lawsuit and each player will get an amount, not 10 million each.

To your point, I doubt there is anything in their contracts that says they agree to get brain damage.

 

[Saint Jeremy]

Tricking players into playing with major injuries sounds far fetched today, but not so in the 50s,60s,and early 70's. That's a big part of here reason the league is going too far the other direction today

Two words..Colt McCoy. The NFL still has a long way to go.

 

[krushing]

Two words..Colt McCoy. The NFL still has a long way to go.

Point well taken, but I'm talking about what the league is trying to do to eliminate it. In the early days, the league wanted stars on the field at all cost to the players. A random team will always make a mistake from time to time. No way they deliberately do it today with the league police looking over their shoulder. The colt thing was just a dumb mistake made by a dumb team which every team will pay for. Eventually a neutral doctor will pull any player that takes a hard hit. Imagine a neutral doc pulling drew in the first quarter of a playoff game just because he took a hard sack. Or puling him out for a 25 minute test That's where we are headed. The pendulum will swing way too far because of colt's case.

 

[State Of Affairs]

You are not getting that they are suing for better healtcare. They aren't getting adequate care after retirment (the players who played 10-20+ years ago). That is what the lawsuit is about. The NFL isn't going to do anything until the lawsuit goes through. That is the only recourse that these players have to get what you now admit they need. How many stories of guys who have dementia that have no health insurance and no money left to pay medical bills do you need to hear? Most likely this will turn into a class action lawsuit and each player will get an amount, not 10 million each.

To your point, I doubt there is anything in their contracts that says they agree to get brain damage.

you keep referring to "my point" and saying contracts not saying anything about brain damage... I don't think you understand my point cuz your stuck on something that isn't my point.

I get that the NFL will lose, because our society is so messed up but my point, that you can't seem to get, is these guys chose to hurt themselves and now they want to sue someone else for what they did to themselves... THATS THE POiNT!

as I've said several times, I'm all for giving players better health care but if you think for a second that these guys aren't trying to get millions from the NFL, you're nieve.. Health care might come with it but someone is getting several millions and if it goes the way the players want, there will be many many more who will do the same and if we're lucky, we'll still have some form of football when its done.

 

[FFT22]

I get that the NFL will lose, because our society is so messed up but my point, that you can't seem to get, is these guys chose to hurt themselves and now they want to sue someone else for what they did to themselves... THATS THE POiNT!

We were having a civil intelligent discussion until you started posting again. I don't think even you know what your point is anymore. You do realize workers all over the country get benefits when they get hurt at work regardless of whose "fault" it is?

 

[FFT22]

The finger is already being pointed at the NFL for funding there own studies like you've pointed out. Don't you think it's like the fox guarding the henhouse?

I think there is a bit of that, combined with inaction when some action was warranted.

I think the NFL will ultimately settle, but if it were tried, I could see a judge or jury finding that the NFL had a duty to investigate and/or implement safety measures earlier than it did.

Also, just for a point of clarity to some other posts, you cannot waive bodily injuries - so to everyone suggesting making football players sign waivers, those waivers would not hold up in any court.

 

[Casey1891]

It's the same reason I had to quit flying airplanes. Lawsuits made it much to expensive to make general aviation a viable business.

I don't know how much all the suing is helping society as a whole, but I know a lot of lawyers who have benefited greatly.

:aargh:

Bill, can you say a little more about this, just out of curiosity? Is it because of some insurance you have to buy to fly other people? What kind of flying were you doing that isn't viable business-wise anymore? Do you know of others this has happened to in this industry or a similar one?