Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (3 Viewers)

[texasjefe]

Davante Adams is not going to sign with the Saints.

The last thing Loomis needs to do is add a declining veteran to the cap. And if he jut got effective guys off the street, then he's not going to chase Davante Adams.

If you're Davante Adams' agent, you look at the Saints and see a team with a busted cap, 4 meh seasons in a row, and possible transition at head coach and the staff. You know Loomis will lowball the offer. Derek Carr may be a close friend, but Aaron Rodger's situation shows that going to play with old veteran friends on non-contending teams is a bad idea.

 

[St. Geezy]

Davante Adams is not going to sign with the Saints.

The last thing Loomis needs to do is add a declining veteran to the cap. And if he jut got effective guys off the street, then he's not going to chase Davante Adams.

If you're Davante Adams' agent, you look at the Saints and see a team with a busted cap, 4 meh seasons in a row, and possible transition at head coach and the staff. You know Loomis will lowball the offer. Derek Carr may be a close friend, but Aaron Rodger's situation shows that going to play with old veteran friends on non-contending teams is a bad idea.

It’s clear to me that with this player, playing with close friends means something to him. Besides, it’s not like the Raiders were some model organization when he went there to be with Carr.

I won’t get into the cap stuff other than to say if we want him, we can make a competitive offer to get him and make the numbers work, easily.

 

[texasjefe]

I'm not going to be seduced by an aging vet who did something something years ago. And no, the cap is full and needs to stop being assaulted.

If you are drunk on high priced washed free agents...

 

[St. Widge]

Adams is going to want a bigish contract regardless of what happened in New York and I think he's going to get it from someone. And I suspect our spending the next offseason will be similar to this past offseason which means no big deals, maybe one medium sized deal (Young) and several lower level deals. (Gay, Harris, Wilson, etc.) I think Loomis is serious about getting the cap closer to even in anticipation of making a run and spending when they find a franchise QB.

So given the limited money we are likely to spend, I would much rather spend those limited resources on the DL or LG than at WR. If we keep running the same system we mostly use 2 WRs anyway and I would rather see the money spent on a real need along the DL and at LG. We can get by at WR with lower level guys like MVS, developing guys like Means, and drafting a WR in rounds 1 to 3. And maybe Means makes a big leap in year two or you hit big on WR in the draft.

To me Adams is the kind of guy you add to a team that is a good veteran WR away from making a run for the Super Bowl and the Saints aren't going to be that team next year.

And all of this is contingent on whether the Saints keep Derek Carr. I think they likely will, but there is a chance they hire a head coach that wants to move on or even Rizzi might want to move on. And if Carr goes, I see no way that Adams comes here.

 

[DaveXA]

I'm not going to be seduced by an aging vet who did something something years ago. And no, the cap is full and needs to stop being assaulted.

If you are drunk on high priced washed free agents...

Except he won't be high priced. If you can get him on a vet minimum or close to it, you do it every time and twice on Sunday.

And he actually did have some nice plays when he was with the Jets. That team is as dysfunctional as they come right now.

I don't know if Adams still wants to play with Carr and I don't know if we'd sign him, but if the team feels like he brings something to the table at a reasonable price, it's a no-brainer.

 

[DaveXA]

Adams is going to want a bigish contract regardless of what happened in New York and I think he's going to get it from someone. And I suspect our spending the next offseason will be similar to this past offseason which means no big deals, maybe one medium sized deal (Young) and several lower level deals. (Gay, Harris, Wilson, etc.) I think Loomis is serious about getting the cap closer to even in anticipation of making a run and spending when they find a franchise QB.

So given the limited money we are likely to spend, I would much rather spend those limited resources on the DL or LG than at WR. If we keep running the same system we mostly use 2 WRs anyway and I would rather see the money spent on a real need along the DL and at LG. We can get by at WR with lower level guys like MVS, developing guys like Means, and drafting a WR in rounds 1 to 3. And maybe Means makes a big leap in year two or you hit big on WR in the draft.

To me Adams is the kind of guy you add to a team that is a good veteran WR away from making a run for the Super Bowl and the Saints aren't going to be that team next year.

And all of this is contingent on whether the Saints keep Derek Carr. I think they likely will, but there is a chance they hire a head coach that wants to move on or even Rizzi might want to move on. And if Carr goes, I see no way that Adams comes here.

I don't see anyone signing him to a big contract after the issues he's had with both the Raiders and Jets. Are they both bad teams? Sure. Does that mean he doesn't have his own issues? No, not really. Teams looking to acquire him are gonna look for a cheap-ish deal or pass on him. I'm not sure anyone is gonna sign him to a big contract for someone who might end up being a rental.

 

[Winter]

Davante Adams is not going to sign with the Saints.

The last thing Loomis needs to do is add a declining veteran to the cap. And if he jut got effective guys off the street, then he's not going to chase Davante Adams.

If you're Davante Adams' agent, you look at the Saints and see a team with a busted cap, 4 meh seasons in a row, and possible transition at head coach and the staff. You know Loomis will lowball the offer. Derek Carr may be a close friend, but Aaron Rodger's situation shows that going to play with old veteran friends on non-contending teams is a bad idea.

I would argue that the Saints have the leverage in that Adams has tried twice now to get what we wanted and neither situation panned out. He's no longer the high prized FA WR. He'll be lucky to get a new deal with a new team instead of having to play out the rest of his career with an Aaron Rodgers-less Jets team.
Now I don't think we need him nor should we give any kind of bounty to bring him in. I hope Loomis low-balls and offers him a team friendly deal if it ever even comes to that. The Saints might be the last legit opportunity for him at this point.

 

[Saint Spud]

I'm not going to be seduced by an aging vet who did something something years ago. And no, the cap is full and needs to stop being assaulted.

If you are drunk on high priced washed free agents...

He was literally named first team all pro with our current QB less than two years ago and had over a thousand yards with a revolving door of QBs and coaches last season.

 

[St. Widge]

I don't see anyone signing him to a big contract after the issues he's had with both the Raiders and Jets. Are they both bad teams? Sure. Does that mean he doesn't have his own issues? No, not really. Teams looking to acquire him are gonna look for a cheap-ish deal or pass on him. I'm not sure anyone is gonna sign him to a big contract for someone who might end up being a rental.

Adams only real issue, outside of being bad a picking teams to play for, is his age. He'll be 32 to start next season. In the current environment, I just think that some team is going to offer him a reasonably large short term deal that is going to price the Saints out of the market. WRs have been getting crazy money lately and if Adams is still as good as some think he is, then he's going to get a reasonably large one or two year deal. And if he's not that good, then I don't see the point in signing him. And I know he likes Carr, but why wouldn't he take less money from a team like KC, Baltimore, etc. to have a shot a a ring?

But, if he comes cheap, sure give him a deal but the Saints still need to look at drafting a WR within the first 3 rounds of the draft. Preferably someone with size to be a true X and/or someone that can get YAC.

Regardless of how much Adams wants, this team needs to get younger and not older. I think it's a solid enough roster to compete in the South, but it's getting older and needs to add young talent to keep up in the South and to move toward being competitive for a Championship. To do that they either need to build a great young roster around a mid-tier QB or build a solid roster around a great QB. I just don't see Adams as a step in the direction of either. He just feels like a possible short term solution for a problem that needs to be fixed for the long term.

 

[St. Widge]

He was literally named first team all pro with our current QB less than two years ago and had over a thousand yards with a revolving door of QBs and coaches last season.

Which is why I don't see him taking a cheap deal anywhere. Some team is going to bet on a 32 year-old WR and reason that this year was just a fluke and that he is the same player he was the two prior years.

Personally, I hope that team is not the Saints. Maybe he is that player but it too big of a risk for a team in the Saints situation to take when that money could be used elsewhere to get younger and better.

 

[Saint Spud]

Which is why I don't see him taking a cheap deal anywhere. Some team is going to bet on a 32 year-old WR and reason that this year was just a fluke and that he is the same player he was the two prior years.

Personally, I hope that team is not the Saints. Maybe he is that player but it too big of a risk for a team in the Saints situation to take when that money could be used elsewhere to get younger and better.

Agree with that. I don’t think it would be a cheap deal, but if we continue to show some promise with a healthy OL, I’d be cool with pushing some cap $ down the road to bring him in.

Reality is that the WR room is looking pretty sparse, especially if Olave can’t come back.

 

[St. Widge]

Agree with that. I don’t think it would be a cheap deal, but if we continue to show some promise with a healthy OL, I’d be cool with pushing some cap $ down the road to bring him in.

Reality is that the WR room is looking pretty sparse, especially if Olave can’t come back.

It is a bit sparse if Olave doesn't come back, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he will come back and that he will work on bulking up, getting his neck stronger, and wear better head protection in the future to cut down on the concussion issue. I mean, if Tua can come back, Olave can come back and there was some consideration that he could come back this year. But, I do hope he sits out the rest of the year to give his brain time to heal and work on the things he needs to work on.

Still, if he does come back I can't see him being here for more than 2 years with the Saints accepting his 5th year option and either trading him in his last year or letting him walk after the option year. That is unless he gets his concussion issues under control in which case they might sign him to a reasonably big deal. So I think you pay MVS a reasonable deal and rely on Olave, Shaheed, and Means next year along with a young WR or two from the draft. And frankly, the Cleveland game shows that even without much of anything at WR this offense can work as long as you get the running game going.

Regardless, we need to bring in young WR talent to be ready to replace Olave in a year or two. And the draft is the way to do that. FA WR money has gotten out of hand so you need to draft WRs in the draft or you kill your cap signing WRs.

 

[DaveXA]

Adams only real issue, outside of being bad a picking teams to play for, is his age. He'll be 32 to start next season. In the current environment, I just think that some team is going to offer him a reasonably large short term deal that is going to price the Saints out of the market. WRs have been getting crazy money lately and if Adams is still as good as some think he is, then he's going to get a reasonably large one or two year deal. And if he's not that good, then I don't see the point in signing him. And I know he likes Carr, but why wouldn't he take less money from a team like KC, Baltimore, etc. to have a shot a a ring?

But, if he comes cheap, sure give him a deal but the Saints still need to look at drafting a WR within the first 3 rounds of the draft. Preferably someone with size to be a true X and/or someone that can get YAC.

Regardless of how much Adams wants, this team needs to get younger and not older. I think it's a solid enough roster to compete in the South, but it's getting older and needs to add young talent to keep up in the South and to move toward being competitive for a Championship. To do that they either need to build a great young roster around a mid-tier QB or build a solid roster around a great QB. I just don't see Adams as a step in the direction of either. He just feels like a possible short term solution for a problem that needs to be fixed for the long term.

Absolutely. Getting him, if for cheap wouldn't preclude drafting one. I want to draft one regardless. We can do both.

 

[WilliamBrees]

It is a bit sparse if Olave doesn't come back, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he will come back and that he will work on bulking up, getting his neck stronger, and wear better head protection in the future to cut down on the concussion issue. I mean, if Tua can come back, Olave can come back and there was some consideration that he could come back this year. But, I do hope he sits out the rest of the year to give his brain time to heal and work on the things he needs to work on.

Still, if he does come back I can't see him being here for more than 2 years with the Saints accepting his 5th year option and either trading him in his last year or letting him walk after the option year. That is unless he gets his concussion issues under control in which case they might sign him to a reasonably big deal. So I think you pay MVS a reasonable deal and rely on Olave, Shaheed, and Means next year along with a young WR or two from the draft. And frankly, the Cleveland game shows that even without much of anything at WR this offense can work as long as you get the running game going.

Regardless, we need to bring in young WR talent to be ready to replace Olave in a year or two. And the draft is the way to do that. FA WR money has gotten out of hand so you need to draft WRs in the draft or you kill your cap signing WRs.

That was also Cleveland. Let's see if that works against the Rams and Commanders.

 

[RaginCajun83]

No more older free agents, no more blowing up the cap (I don’t care it’s going up). This team needs to figure out their core of young players and then build around them through the draft and by smart spending in free agency