Saints to interview Aaron Glenn on Jan. 10th [Nick Underhill: Glenn probably gets an in person 2nd interview in a couple of weeks] (147 Viewers)

[Rouxble]

You mean like Belichick and Brady? Tomlin and Roethlisberger? Siefert and Steve Young?

It's an issue, but it's not like it can't happen. You just need to find the right player to go with the right OC and QB Coach.

Beat me to it. I'll add that Peyton Manning played the first 11 years of his career under defensive-minded coaches, he also turned out OK. Both of his Super Bowl wins were with defensive-minded coaches.

Matt Ryan played practically all of his career under defensive coaches. He may not be the first name that comes to mind as one of the best to play, but he was certainly a franchise QB (that also played in a Super Bowl, losing after building a 28-3 lead).

There are plenty of examples, I think we're biased towards the HC/QB pairing here because of what we saw with Payton/Brees.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

You mean like Belichick and Brady? Tomlin and Roethlisberger? Siefert and Steve Young?

It's an issue, but it's not like it can't happen. You just need to find the right player to go with the right OC and QB Coach.

I go with probability, and probability says its highly unlikely. So we can take Glenn, and he can be a good coach and the odds are drastically in favor that he'll never sniff a superbowl without inheriting a team that already has a franchise QB.

 

[St. Widge]

I go with probability, and probability says its highly unlikely. So we can take Glenn, and he can be a good coach and the odds are drastically in favor that he'll never sniff a superbowl without inheriting a team that already has a franchise QB.

What do you base your opinion that probability says its highly unlikely? What numbers support that position?

We just gave you 3 or 4 HoF QBs, one that is arguably the GOAT, that developed under defensive head coaches. And at least three of them won Super Bowls with their defensive HC in charge. And one of them won 7 Super Bowls. And Matt Ryan would have one if they had not blown a 28-3 lead to another QB that was developed by a defensive HC.

 

[44slayer]

I'm the same way. I really want an offensive-minded HC, but damn if Glenn doesn't look like the right fit for this city and the right guy to lead this team.

Same. Prefer offense, but the right guy is the right guy. I just dont know about Glenns track record. His defenses havent been exactly the Steel Curtain.

My hope is that Glenn has other teams serious about hiring him, giving him negotiation chips in his pocket. He knows how Loomis operates. If we arent going to fire Loomis, we need to find ways to wrestle as much control as we can from him. If Glenn has other suitors, he can say he wants full control over his staff hires. Allen had no other suitors, or interviews. He either took the job under Loomis' conditions, or he could go look for work elsewhere as a DC.

I think Loomis had too much control over Allen. Allen wouldnt have been successful regardless, but I would like for the next HC to have more control over his team from the staff to the draft.

I guess that is the slippery slope in that, Loomis can hire another dolt like Allen simply because he can maintain control.

I fully expect a curveball from Loomis.

 

[RaginCajun83]

Interview is over

 

[lapaz]

Really hope we pass on Glenn, I would like to see a whole new different approach to the future of the team. Glenn (who is a fine coach) isn't what we need. We need someone who is new to the organization and won't be afraid to voice his opinion on things.

Nothing against Glenn personally or professionally ( as he has proven he can produce as a position coach and a coordinator. If he does get the job I hope he gets rid of Joe Woods and hires a new coordinator,we don't need another HC that also doubles as our d coordinator.

We will see,whoever it is I will support but I would rather have a offensive minded HC. I would rather have Rizzi than Glenn.

Glenn is the Def Coord for the Lions, and their defense is not ranked high, so how has Glenn proven himself? According to the link, they are 20th this year allowing 342 ypg. They were 19th in 2023, allowing 336 ypg, so they've slightly regressed.

2024 NFL Defense Rankings: Team Pass and Rush Stats | FOX Sports

Find out where every NFL team ranks on defense following Week 18 of the 2024 season.

www.foxsports.com

 

[44slayer]

Glenn is the Def Coord for the Lions, and their defense is not ranked high, so how has Glenn proven himself? According to the link, they are 20th this year allowing 342 ypg. They were 19th in 2023, allowing 336 ypg, so they've slightly regressed.

2024 NFL Defense Rankings: Team Pass and Rush Stats | FOX Sports

Find out where every NFL team ranks on defense following Week 18 of the 2024 season.

www.foxsports.com

Theres this as well. Im not real sure how Glenn came to be part of the HC landscape this year. His defenses havent been elite, and borderline average. It feels like Detroit is in a barnburner every week. They also have the most man games lost this season, so factor that in.

 

[St. Widge]

Glenn is the Def Coord for the Lions, and their defense is not ranked high, so how has Glenn proven himself? According to the link, they are 20th this year allowing 342 ypg. They were 19th in 2023, allowing 336 ypg, so they've slightly regressed.

2024 NFL Defense Rankings: Team Pass and Rush Stats | FOX Sports

Find out where every NFL team ranks on defense following Week 18 of the 2024 season.

www.foxsports.com

They were terrible when he took over and have become good. The stats this year are reflective of a lot of injuries and despite those injuries they are still a good defense.

 

[44slayer]

They were terrible when he took over and have become good. The stats this year are reflective of a lot of injuries and despite those injuries they are still a good defense.

They are 20th in total defense

30th in pass defense, 6th against the run. The 6th against the run is a bit misleading. They rank 22nd in YPC against. They are 27th in yards per play.

Teams dont really run on them much because they cant defend the pass. They give up 4.5ypc. They arent a wall against the run. They just are a faucet against the pass.

 

[lapaz]

How about Jeff Hafley, the Packers Def Coordinator? Their defense made a big jump this year, and before that he was the head coach for Boston College for 4 years, 3 of which led them to bowl games, which is pretty good for Boston College. He also led the Cleveland Browns to no 1 in passing defense as their defensive back coach.

"Part of a staff that helped guide the Browns to No. 1 league rankings in 2014 in opponent passer rating (74.1) and opponent completion percentage (57.1) while finishing No. 2 in the NFL in interceptions with 21, the team's highest total since 2008."

 

[Rouxble]

They were terrible when he took over and have become good. The stats this year are reflective of a lot of injuries and despite those injuries they are still a good defense.

Yearly defensive DVOA ranks:

2021 - 29th
2022 - 27th
2023 - 13th
2024 - 5th

 

[longtime lurker]

A pretty good article on AG as a defensive coordinator with a focus on this season. A good read -

Who is Aaron Glenn: Why every NFL team looking for a HC wants to interview Lions DC

Detroit Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn led a top-10 scoring unit in 2024 and is credited with helping establish a winning culture.

www.freep.com

 

[RJS]

They are 20th in total defense

30th in pass defense, 6th against the run. The 6th against the run is a bit misleading. They rank 22nd in YPC against. They are 27th in yards per play.

Teams dont really run on them much because they cant defend the pass. They give up 4.5ypc. They arent a wall against the run. They just are a faucet against the pass.

They have had at least 12 defensive players on IR and they're still 7th in points allowed. That's overachieving IMO.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

What do you base your opinion that probability says its highly unlikely? What numbers support that position?

We just gave you 3 or 4 HoF QBs, one that is arguably the GOAT, that developed under defensive head coaches. And at least two of them won Super Bowls with their defensive HC in charge. And one of them won 7 Super Bowls. And Matt Ryan would have one if they had not blown a 28-3 lead to another QB that was developed by a defensive HC.

The fact you want numbers is silly. You go back around 30 years to name a few when the league and its rules were vastly different. Roethlisberger was developed by Cower more then Tomlin, but the point still stands. Name 1 franchise QB developed in the last 10 years by a defensive head coach. Name 1 defensive head coach that has gone to the superbowl in the last 10 years.

The simple truth is the trend is that offensive head coaches develop franchise QBs, and offensive head coaches win superbowls for the last 10 or so years. People who invest against the trend in stocks, crypto, real estate etc end up in bankruptcy far more often then not. The probabilities are the same here.

Never bet against the trend. Glenn coming here will likely not end up in the superbowl for his tenure here. If I gambled, thats where the smart money bet would be based on trends.

 

[44slayer]

They have had at least 12 defensive players on IR and they're still 7th in points allowed. That's overachieving IMO.

Cant argue with that. If he can overachieve with a bunch of injuries. This is absolutely the place for him.

I still think we need to go offensive minded. Glenn doesnt give Allen dolt vibes at least. There was nothing about Allen that was HC material. I just want the HC to have more control over his team. Which is why I want Glenn to have multiple teams interested, so he can negotiate some power away from Loomis.