Should Rattler be our starter in 2025? (8 Viewers)

[Nolan]

When you just have a throw a way season you also throw away the tail end of the careers of AK , DD Mathieu Cam. All have something left in the tank , maybe not at their prime level but especially AK has at least 2 more yrs at a near elite level.

If we cut DC we will have no $ to upgrade anywhere and we would probably have to restructure almost every contract to be cap compliant

You're looking at 2 yrs min of just sucking

Jimmy G also went to a SB

We don't owe Cam, Demario, or especially not Tyrann Mathieu a thing. They've been well paid by us, but they no longer perform at even a decent level. Mathieu in particular is a liability, not to mention his terrible effort week in and week out.

Alvin's skillset, even at an older age, is particularly valuable when it comes to developing a young quarterback.

There is no universe that this roster is competing in the playoffs. Not in spite of DD, Cam, and Mathieu, but largely BECAUSE of them.

 

[DSnfla]

You just listed 3 guys in decline and at the ends of their careers. They may not be on the team regardless of the QB and for sure wouldn't if their contracts weren't so restrictive for our current cap situation. We are looking at 2 years of sucking anyway.

Can you not see the MAIN reason we were so bad this ys was INJURIES??? We were 2 plays away from being 4-0 going into KC. Even with DA as HC if we just have a reg yrs worth of injuries we probably win the south

Those players may not be in their prime but they are still worth it as starters. In fact Cam was not being used right evidence of how he played at the end of the season. We need an upgrade on the DL especially @ DT to go along with Bresse

 

[DSnfla]

We don't owe Cam, Demario, or especially not Tyrann Mathieu a thing. They've been well paid by us, but they no longer perform at even a decent level. Mathieu in particular is a liability, not to mention his terrible effort week in and week out.

Alvin's skillset, even at an older age, is particularly valuable when it comes to developing a young quarterback.

There is no universe that this roster is competing in the playoffs. Not in spite of DD, Cam, and Mathieu, but largely BECAUSE of them.

It not a matter of owing them anything. It's that they are under contract and it's better to keep DD and maybe Mathieu . We can't purge them and DC in 1 yr

 

[reason2believe]

No. Unless he develops a ton before than. He needs to be backup and grow.

 

[jessy]

Cut Carr, start Rattler = top 3 draft pick in 26 and out of cap hell. We might even draft Arch.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Hey. If Terry Fontenot says he's ok with having a hundred million dollar backup QB...

 

[Elvis]

Can you not see the MAIN reason we were so bad this ys was INJURIES??? We were 2 plays away from being 4-0 going into KC. Even with DA as HC if we just have a reg yrs worth of injuries we probably win the south

Those players may not be in their prime but they are still worth it as starters. In fact Cam was not being used right evidence of how he played at the end of the season. We need an upgrade on the DL especially @ DT to go along with Bresse

Injuries were part of the reason for this team being bad this season, but they weren't the only reason. The team walked into the season without quality starting talent at most positions with nearly zero depth behind them. We came into the league tied for dead last in strength of schedule and still lost 12 games. And we still only beat the worst teams. Even if you believe we were good the first two games you have to realize that those teams we beat we also terrible.

Carr doesn't even come close to moving the needle under those circumstances and there is simply not cap space to bring in proven veteran talent to improve this team this year. It'll be drafted and UDFA rookies additions this year and most of them won't be good right off the bat. They'll need experience like the young guys this year were forced into before the light comes on for them. Carr isn't good enough to elevate them, so we might as well clear out his cap space while we're bad, let young guys get a lot of reps and have the cap clear for when the light come on for some of them, if we're lucky.

 

[DSnfla]

Injuries were part of the reason for this team being bad this season, but they weren't the only reason. The team walked into the season without quality starting talent at most positions with nearly zero depth behind them. We came into the league tied for dead last in strength of schedule and still lost 12 games. And we still only beat the worst teams. Even if you believe we were good the first two games you have to realize that those teams we beat we also terrible.

Carr doesn't even come close to moving the needle under those circumstances and there is simply not cap space to bring in proven veteran talent to improve this team this year. It'll be drafted and UDFA rookies additions this year and most of them won't be good right off the bat. They'll need experience like the young guys this year were forced into before the light comes on for them. Carr isn't good enough to elevate them, so we might as well clear out his cap space while we're bad, let young guys get a lot of reps and have the cap clear for when the light come on for some of them, if we're lucky.

Not a part of the reason the BIGGEST part. If not for 2 plays we would have been 4-0 going into KC
. And no team no matter what their cap situation pays starter $ to backups thinking most of their OL is gonna be out more than half the yr. And we lose both our starting WRs and one of our biggest weapons

 

[solarbear88]

Injuries were part of the reason for this team being bad this season, but they weren't the only reason.

Yeah. Was extremely worried about this roster going into the season.

We have a lot of bad players that fanboys keep telling us are good like Ruiz, Werner, Johnson. Players we are paying for their production from several years ago like Mathieu and Jordan. And holes where no good players exist at all RB2, WR3, Safety 2, LG, NT, run stuffing LB, DE, blocking TE. List goes on. This is a bad roster where many of our starters would be on other team's practice squads.

Kamara is the only expensive player earning his money. The rest are all expensive 3rd stringers.

They proved all my worst fears correct. Injuries just had it happen even earlier.

 

[webster]

I was going to make a thread but I guess I ask this question here. Any theory as to why Rattler plays like Jekyll and Hyde? He gives us moments of potential. Then he starts to plays like we need to draft a QB in round one.

Many backups qbs play like this . JW played similarly, but was better overall than Rattler. It’s why the Saints need to pursue a young qb this offseason and maybe pick up a vet to backup Carr next season. Going into the season with Rattler and Haener as your backup qbs would be another disaster.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

My answer changes with scenario. If someone like Joe Brady is our head coach and says "I can make this guy special", I'm all for it.

Anything less than that, the answer is no. Rattler has some good skills but he's not good. We either need to look for better, already groomed talent or hire a QB whisperer who can groom Rattler. And if a QB whisperer says Rattler ain't it, then we should start moving on and not look back.

 

[MikeyF]

Can you not see the MAIN reason we were so bad this ys was INJURIES??? We were 2 plays away from being 4-0 going into KC. Even with DA as HC if we just have a reg yrs worth of injuries we probably win the south

Those players may not be in their prime but they are still worth it as starters. In fact Cam was not being used right evidence of how he played at the end of the season. We need an upgrade on the DL especially @ DT to go along with Bresse

NFL Statistics: A Look At How The Saints Defense Ranked This Season

How a suddenly bad New Orleans defense fared in the NFL rankings this season.

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[Seapea]

Start Rattler and rebuild. Cap situation is terrible, this ream is NOT a contender, those days are over.

Some of y'all really need to move on. It's okay.

 

[Elvis]

Yeah. Was extremely worried about this roster going into the season.

We have a lot of bad players that fanboys keep telling us are good like Ruiz, Werner, Johnson. Players we are paying for their production from several years ago like Mathieu and Jordan. And holes where no good players exist at all RB2, WR3, Safety 2, LG, NT, run stuffing LB, DE, blocking TE. List goes on. This is a bad roster where many of our starters would be on other team's practice squads.

Kamara is the only expensive player earning his money. The rest are all expensive 3rd stringers.

They proved all my worst fears correct. Injuries just had it happen even earlier.

Agreed. I was also very worried about the offense going into the season and I didn't trust the first two games either, but admittedly I was beginning to wonder if Carmichael was solely to blame. We had a rookie at LT, turnstiles at Guard and what looked to be a bust at RT. Plus no better than #2's at TE or WR with no depth at RB behind AK. Taysom obviously is Taysom, but he was 34 years old and wasn't going to play more than 35% of the snaps. None of that has changed as we sit here today.

The defense was supposed to carry this team in 2024 because nobody believed the offense would be anywhere close to good enough. I felt like we were going to have to keep other teams in the teens to have a shot and we didn't do that often enough. The pass rush was non existent, our once all pro level linebacker showed his age for the first time and our DBs couldn't cover forever without the guys in front of them doing enough.

Having done that postmortem, I still haven't mentioned the QB and that's because I don't think any QB we had was going to do much under that scenario. Carr simply isn't a difference maker that can make up for the poor talent around him. Can he do more than Rattler? At times he can and does. But I also saw Rattler get more out of some guys than Carr was. So it's a wash there for me.

 

[Ken-Bob]

There's just not enough savings gained by cutting Carr so he'll be on the team next season. The new head coach will have a lot to say. Carr has the experience to run the team, but if the new coach and Rattler connect, I think there's a good chance Rattler beats out Carr in the offseason - especially if the team can get some more supporting cast on the offense. Carr is NOT the long term answer. Rattler has the physical tools but the mental and intangibles are still a worry for me. If the game comes to him, he can be very good, IMO.