Sources: Dennis Allen’s recent mishandling of Kendre Miller’s injury created internal frustration, Miller currently healthy but can’t play (1 Viewer)

Just from a fan viewpoint, it does seem that some players (or their actions) got under DA's skin and he wouldn't play them. I think back to Jimmy Graham last year (or the year before?) after his incident out in California. DA just would not play him for about the next four or five games even though he was healthy and we needed him. Now Kendre Miller. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
speculation here....but Marshon Lattimore has been injured alot over the past 3 seasons. He was known to have hamstring issues before he was drafted, but those issues seemed to disappear in his professional career, or at least calm down to the point where it was a non-issue. Maybe they're starting to reoccur as he gets older? But Latt is only 28, so that means these issues started re-occurring when he was 25ish? Seems awful young to me, but I'm not qualified to say.

OTOH, Latt's issues seem to coincide with DAs tenure, and I could absolutely see a correlation between "optional" warmup periods and soft tissue injuries. And with Miller issues coming to light (and apparently AT Perry, possibly MT13?), is it that far of a stretch to consider that DA was using IR designations to deny playing time to "problem players" who were challenges to his HC authority? And let's not forget the trading of CJGJ to the Eagles for practically nothing? Think CJGJ was a problem for DA? He was a problem when DA was DC, but CSP wasn't taking any of that crap. Coincidence Ceedy was traded during DAs 1st training camp as HC? With a 3-year lookback, is it that farfetched to conclude that ML has been massaging the team for DAs benefit, rather than the franchise's benefit? And if THAT is true, the obvious question is WHY?

Let's not forget that ML was investigated by the NFL several years back (I know, another Goodell vendetta because we don't "kiss the ring" with the appropriate amount of slobber) for a wiretap/eavesdropping scandal. AND he was suspended 8 games in 2012 for his role as GM in bountygate. I can't put a lot of stock in Roger's kangaroo investigations. I can admit there was likely SOMETHING there, but don't trust Roger's conclusions. And viewed in isolation, I can dismiss the allegations without losing any sleep. But considered collectively (like DA's tenure....I can rationalize the 0-7 skid, but I can't rationalize continuing an 18-25 tenure), I have to consider that MAYBE our GM has got his fingerprints in another scandal....manipulating the IR. And MAYBE it does beyond that. I've accused ML of being disconnected from the pulse of the team, and refusing to acknowledge what is APPARENT to everyone else outside of Airline Drive. But WHAT IF he is acutely aware of situations inside of that team, and he was backing DA to the bitter end (still?!) because his role could be revealed, resulting in sanctions, fines, suspensions(?).... That is certainly ONE possible explanation that would make absolute sense of a non-sensical situation. Probably not the only explanation....Occam's Razor would suggest the simplest solution is the likeliest. The simplest solution is that a substandard GM (without CSP) with a career 40% winning percentage hired a substandard HC with a career 33% winning percentage, and colluded to mismanage a borderline playoff team to become one of the worst in the league.

But it would've been REALLY easy for a GM to say the coach we just fired is a good coach, has been valuable to the organization, appreciate everything that coach has done for the organization, but it was time for a change. That's what MOST GMs say about a fired coach, and it's very easy to say and no one raises an eyebrow about it. So why isn't ML doing that? He's only drawing attention to himself with his unusual stance and public chatter. Makes me wonder WHY? Is he that much of a narcissist that he truly believes he's that much smarter than anyone else in the Saints org? Or is he hiding something that he desperately does not want revealed? I'm inclined to the latter, but that's JMO.
 
The guy gets injured on the first day of camp and doesn't get on the field until well into the season and THEN almost immediately gets hurt again. Out of all the things Allen was not impressive at, I don't blame him for anything regarding Miller. That is some serious passing the buck/making excuses on Miller's behalf.

I mean, we all think DA was a bad head coach and bad at creating relationships with and motivating players. It's entirely possible that DA either didn't understand how to motivate Miller or just didn't like him and didn't even try. That, of course, is in addition to what we already know about the lack of mandatory warm-ups which could have easily lead to some of Miller's issues. And who knows what other things DA was doing that contributed to the injury problems for Miller and many other players?

What it comes down to is when you see Miller on the field you can tell he has a huge amount of talent and produces when given a chance. DA needed to figure out a way to get him healthy and motivate him and he didn't do it.
 
The extent that DA was in over his head is almost impossible to believe. This is a true "our expectations were low, but holy fork" moment.

The optional warm-up did it for me. I thought he should be gone since after his first year and after he mishandled the Winston injury, but I had no idea just how unfit he was to be a head coach.
 
I think I’m going to let this play out a bit before I lean one way or the other. I don’t know the ends and outs or rules governing IR status but…. I do believe teams have stashed players with an IR designation to protect them from being snatched from the practice squad.

Whatever the case, I wouldn’t want the league office looking into this situation only to punish the team with lost draft picks.

I mean if a player is hurt you can put them on IR. There is no dispute that Miller strained/pulled his other hamstring so they could put him on IR under the rules. This isn't a breaking the rules issue. This is a why the hell would you put your best backup RB on IR when he is going to be healthy in a week but you kept multiple players on the active roster that took more than 4 weeks to get healthy?
 
I am so glad this guy is gone. At least Loomis, whenever he's gone, contributed something positive to this organization over the years. Even if he's a mess now LOL.
 
Meanwhile, Williams is still hurt—and RBs are being signed off the street. Shades of the days of Terry Kirby and Ladell Betts. Would love to see what Kibodi can do, though.

The handling of Miller is definitely raising my eyebrows. If he’s ready to play, then the situation was badly mishandled.
 
I'll just play devil's advocate and say I'm not sure how bad Allen's intentions were. We had a lot of injuries going into the game, and we were depleted at DB and RB. We needed to elevate two players plus sign three to the active roster to help fill the holes.

Three players had to be cut or put on IR to make room for the three signings, so Hergel was waived and Means and Miller were moved to IR. Who else should the Saints have cut or put on IR? There weren't a ton of options, and Miller is a cheaper IR option than Williams (since both weren't available for the game).
 
I'll just play devil's advocate and say I'm not sure how bad Allen's intentions were. We had a lot of injuries going into the game, and we were depleted at DB and RB. We needed to elevate two players plus sign three to the active roster to help fill the holes.

Three players had to be cut or put on IR to make room for the three signings, so Hergel was waived and Means and Miller were moved to IR. Who else should the Saints have cut or put on IR? There weren't a ton of options, and Miller is a cheaper IR option than Williams (since both weren't available for the game).
IDK, but DA has been growing increasingly frustrated w/ Kendre since Day 1 of TC. I remember how much people on the board applauded him for being uber critical at the time. Thought it was him having an Alpha moment. W/ that being said, I can see that irritation (especially him feeling he can help him win) boiling over and leading to him IR'ing him out of that cloud of frustration.
 
I'll just play devil's advocate and say I'm not sure how bad Allen's intentions were. We had a lot of injuries going into the game, and we were depleted at DB and RB. We needed to elevate two players plus sign three to the active roster to help fill the holes.

Three players had to be cut or put on IR to make room for the three signings, so Hergel was waived and Means and Miller were moved to IR. Who else should the Saints have cut or put on IR? There weren't a ton of options, and Miller is a cheaper IR option than Williams (since both weren't available for the game).

I guess my answer is that if you were forced to IR a RB, I would have IR'd Williams who has failed to produce much of anything even when healthy over Miller who has produced when healthy.
 
IDK, but DA has been growing increasingly frustrated w/ Kendre since Day 1 of TC. I remember how much people on the board applauded him for being uber critical at the time. Thought it was him having an Alpha moment. W/ that being said, I can see that irritation (especially him feeling he can help him win) boiling over and leading to him IR'ing him out of that cloud of frustration.
I would agree that he may have been higher on the list of IR candidates due to irritation, but someone had to be moved off the roster either way. Mims ended up being out only other healthy RB that day if you don’t include Hill (since he lines up everywhere).

The other IR options were Lattimore, McKinstry, Payton, Williams, or Ridgeway. The first three weren’t likely given we signed/elevated four DB’s for the Panthers game, we were already in a big enough hole to not dig a bigger one with a CB on IR. Williams was an expensive IR option and is practicing this week (probably better at pass pro as well), and Ridgeway has been one of our better interior defenders on a team getting gashed by the run.
 
I would agree that he may have been higher on the list of IR candidates due to irritation, but someone had to be moved off the roster either way. Mims ended up being out only other healthy RB that day if you don’t include Hill (since he lines up everywhere).

The other IR options were Lattimore, McKinstry, Payton, Williams, or Ridgeway. The first three weren’t likely given we signed/elevated four DB’s for the Panthers game, we were already in a big enough hole to not dig a bigger one with a CB on IR. Williams was an expensive IR option and is practicing this week (probably better at pass pro as well), and Ridgeway has been one of our better interior defenders on a team getting gashed by the run.
Can't lie, would have IR'd Payton Turner.
 
I guess my answer is that if you were forced to IR a RB, I would have IR'd Williams who has failed to produce much of anything even when healthy over Miller who has produced when healthy.
Williams is definitely a less dynamic back, but they may trust him more to protect their oft injured starting QB when healthy. He is also more expensive as an IR candidate, costing $750k for four games versus $230k for Miller.
 

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