The Taysom Hill deal was for 21 million dollars! (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

Which also makes sense.... what if Drew does a Farve and keeps coming back every season... and plays until Brady decides to retire?

Taysom likely wanted a shorter deal in case that happens.

If Drew has retired this off-season, I’m pretty sure Taysom would be our starter now and his deal would have been for 3 or 4 seasons.

Sure. The Saints wanted to lock him in at his current price for another year because they know at a minimum he is worth that as the Swiss Army knife and change of pace QB and Hill didn't want to be locked in for another year at that price. I mean, if they had been offering real starting QB money, I'm sure Hill would have taken it.

 

[El Caliente]

1. It shows that the commitment is still there for Taysom to be the man.
2. It keeps under contract for two years rather than forcing us to have to make a move at the position next year.
3. It allows us to get out after two years should he prove himself incapable of being the man at quarterback.

Fake news. I heard it from some people on this site that Sean was blowing smoke when he told the media that their qb of the future was already in the building.

 

[Stalwart385]

That's not how math works. If you go to the fireworks stand and buy 1 firework for $21 and get 20 fireworks free, you didn't get 20 free fireworks. You got 21 fireworks for a dollar each.

He is being paid 10.5 per year over two years. Back loaded for cap reasons.

That assumes all the fireworks are the same. If I pay $21 dollars for two sparklers I overpaid. If I paid for a sparkler and the big momma, it was fine.

 

[So_$@int Silly]

I still don't think Drew is retiring until Brady which brings us right back to where we are now.

You can say that but we don't know what Drew is thinking. He may say it's my last go and that's it. Can't speculate nothing we dont know unless you close with Drew? Are you

 

[rlemieux]

Drew and Sean have made it clear that Taysom will be much more involved in the offensive game plan this year and not only as a TE/WR but more of a QB. I wouldn’t call it a 2 QB system but I would guess Taysom gets at least 10% of the QB play this year, possibly more.
Jamis will be a true backup only because Taysom will be part of the game plan weekly and scrapping the game plan mid game if something would happen to Drew just doesn’t work well.

 

[St. Widge]

Which also makes sense.... what if Drew does a Farve and keeps coming back every season... and plays until Brady decides to retire?

Taysom likely wanted a shorter deal in case that happens.

If Drew has retired this off-season, I’m pretty sure Taysom would be our starter now and his deal would have been for 3 or 4 seasons.

Or the Saints would have traded a bunch of picks and moved up to draft Tua. And, I think taking a young QB this year was something Hill and his agent thought was possible or they would have signed a contract before the draft. There is no way this deal got worked out from start to finish since the draft ended. It has to be basically done before the draft started.

 

[No2DC]

You can say that but we don't know what Drew is thinking. He may say it's my last go and that's it. Can't speculate nothing we dont know unless you close with Drew? Are you

No but I read the reports that he suppose to retire this year.

 

[Infoman]

A lot of that is true, but the thing we haven't seen him do is run the offense on a consistent basis or throw with accuracy. Even the big play to Harris in the Vikings playoff game was an under throw. And running a few plays here and there is a lot different than facing a defense that has specifically game planned to defend you. That's one big reason it could be different and when he has played in preseason, he has gotten better, but we still haven't seen him play a really great game where he dominates another teams' backups.

I'm not saying he can't be the starting QB. But it's no sure thing. And signing Winston and only giving Hill a two year deal certainly seems to indicate that the Saints want to give themselves some time to see if Hill can develop as a QB before having to commit to Taysom Hill, franchise QB.

I know it's not regular season... and he won't get to throw much in the regular season with Drew here... But I have seen the opposite...

I have seen him make throws with great accuracy... great touch... great velocity... and extend plays to do so... on many occasions in the pre-season. And I realize it's the pre-season, but he's also exhibited these things in the regular season as well (and then some).



Ignore the runs here (which are all great BTW)... Tell me what I am not seeing?

PS... The one play from the Vikings game which was under thrown needs to be taken into context... He's coming in cold, and the play still went for 50 yards (we scored on the next play). So If we are going to use that as a "bad Taysom" example... I'll take it.

If we are going to nit pick one throw... how about this one (regular season this year):

Michael Thomas shows off toe drag on 17-yard reception

New Orleans Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas shows off toe drag on 17-yard reception from Taysom Hill.

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[El Caliente]

Did the Saints also sign Taysom’s son?

 

[El Caliente]

Such a good show.

 

[St. Widge]

I know it's not regular season... and he won't get to throw much in the regular season with Drew here... But I have seen the opposite...

I have seen him make throws with great accuracy... great touch... great velocity... and extend plays to do so... on many occasions in the pre-season. And I realize it's the pre-season, but he's also exibited tese things in the regular season as well (and then some).



Ignore the runs here (which are all great BTW)... Tell me what I am not seeing?

PS... The one play from the Vikings game which was under thrown needs to be taken into context... He's coming in cold, and the play still went for 50 yards (we scored on the next play). So If we are going to use that as a "bad Taysom" example... I'll take it.

If we are going top nit pick one throw... how about this one (regular season this year):

Michael Thomas shows off toe drag on 17-yard reception

New Orleans Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas shows off toe drag on 17-yard reception from Taysom Hill.

www.neworleanssaints.com

He does it sometimes, but he has not shown to be consistently accurate. I mean, you are cherry picking a few throws here and there. (And while I don't think the Vikings throw is an example of Bad Taysom, if he throws that ball further, Harris scores on that play easily.) Maybe he will develop, but he isn't there yet IMO. And I think a 2 year deal instead of offering Hill real starting QB money long term tells you that the team wants to see if he develops. In fact, IIRC, when Payton said that they would get Hill more snaps at QB this year he even said it was to help him develop as a QB. That tells me that although Payton thinks he will develop, he isn't there yet. And, if he was there, they probably would not bother signing Winston.

But, like I said, the biggest question is what he can do if another team actually game plans against an offense that is designed to take advantage of his talents. Yes, he came in cold to make that throw against the Vikings, but at the same time, Harris was only that wide open because nobody expected Hill to throw the deep ball there and frankly, if they are not surprised that he was actually throwing deep, that under throw is likely an incompletion, if not worse.

And, I mean, lets be honest, Hill was not a good college QB. He was a UDFA for a reason. He has obviously shown that he is a good football player, very good at running the read option, and a good guy, but he hasn't yet shown that he is a good QB when throwing the football. Maybe he will be and he will get a chance to prove it, but a few plays here and there as a QB doesn't really do it for me. But, I obviously don't see him in practice so Payton would know better, and I think signing Winston and not being willing to commit QB money to Hill for the long term yet, tells you Payton doesn't think he is ready to be a full time QB either.

Ideally, I would love to have him on the team running those read options and being used in gadget plays for the next 5 years but I can see why he wants to play QB where a guy can play until he is in his 40s.

 

[DaveXA]

Both are colossal waste of money.

Well...that's like, your opinion man.

 

[Infoman]

He does it sometimes, but he has not shown to be consistently accurate. Maybe he will develop, but he isn't there yet IMO. And I think a 2 year deal instead of offering Hill real starting QB money long term tells you that the team wants to see if he develops. In fact, IIRC, when Payton said that they would get Hill more snaps at QB this year he even said it was to help him develop as a QB. That tells me that although Payton thinks he will develop, he isn't there yet. And, if he was there, they probably would not bother signing Winston.

But, like I said, the biggest question is what he can do if another team actually game plans against an offense that is designed to take advantage of his talents. And, I mean, lets be honest, Hill was not a good college QB. He was a UDFA for a reason. He has obviously shown that he is a good football player and a good guy, but he hasn't yet shown that he is a good QB. Maybe he will be and he will get a chance to prove it, but a few plays here and there as a QB doesn't really do it for me. But, I obviously don't see him in practice so Payton would know better, and I think signing Winston and not being willing to commit QB money to Hill for the long term yet, tells you Payton doesn't think he is ready to be a full time QB either.

Ideally, I would love to have him on the team running those read options and being used in gadget plays for the next 5 years but I can see why he wants to play QB where a guy can play until he is in his 40s.

I'm not sure how he's supposed to show anything consistently in the regular season passing when he limited to a handful of passing plays while Drew is in there... pretty unfair assessment if you ask me.

I can tell you that he's been very consistent when he gets the opportunity to throw on a regular basis in the pre-season... to the tune of %74 and 68% completion rate respectively the last 2 years (with 7.5 YPA and over 90 QBR BTW)...

And teams game plan for him now (all be it in a more limited role) in the regular season and playoffs.... they still can't stop him.

Like I said, the offense will be different with him starting, and possibly more dynamic and diverse... we have only seen a glimpse of what it will be with Taysom as the starter... but I have no doubt Payton can make it flourish.

Again, not sure what he has to do at this point to get some people to see it... he's literally done everything asked of him, and has excelled at everything he's been given the opportunity to do... I see no reason to believe he won't be our future starter, and that we won't be a stud doing so.

It's already been reported that the Saints wanted to sign him for 3 years... Taysom wanted 2.... I guess on that is... No one real;ly know what Brees will do... we all expect him to retire after next season.... we expected him to retire after this season... What if he decides to keep coming back as long as Brady does? Taysom wants to be a starting QB.... He had to get protection form that scenario. That's why the 2 year deal.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm not sure how he's supposed to show anything consistently in the regular season passing when he limited to a handful of passing plays while Drew is in there... pretty unfair assessment if you ask me.

I can tell you that he's been very consistent when he gets the opportunity to throw on a regular basis in the pre-season... to the tune of %74 and 68% completion rate respectively the last 2 years...

And teams game plan for him now (all be it in a more limited role) in the regular season and playoffs.... they still can't stop him.

Like I said, the offense will be different with him starting, and possibly more dynamic and diverse... we have only seen a glimpse of what it will be with Taysom as the starter... but I have no doubt Payton can make it excel.

Again, not sure what he has to do at this point to get some people to see it... he's literally done everything asked of him, and has excelled at everything he's been given the opportunity to do... I see no reason to believe he won't be our future starter, and that we won't be a stud doing so.

Look, I would love to have a mobile QB like Taysom that is also accurate with the ball. And sure he has had some decent preseason game, but he's also had some bad ones and has not been consistent. I would at least like to see him dominate in preseason before turning the franchise over to him. I'm also concerned that a lot of what he does even at QB is dependent on great athleticism. And he is either 30 or just about to turn 30 which is when athleticism tends to start to decline for most players, especially guys that are basically out there getting banged around like a RB or TE. I mean, Taysom has never seen a guy he wouldn't rather run over than run around. So, I have some concerns about the long term viability of a 30 year old QB that relies on athleticism. IMO, he is going to have to learn to be a better pure QB to get by as he gets older.

And while he has done everything that has been asked of him in the past, the NFL is littered with great athletes that did everything that was asked of them (Hines Ward and Kordell Stewart for example), but when asked to become a better and more accurate thrower of the football, couldn't do it. I really hope Hill is the guy that does it, but it would be a major risk to commit to him as the franchise QB at this point and without bringing in competition in the next few years.

 

[Saint Greg]

It's already been reported that the Saints wanted to sign him for 3 years... Taysom wanted 2.... I guess on that is... No one real;ly know what Brees will do... we all expect him to retire after next season.... we expected him to retire after this season... What if he decides to keep coming back as long as Brady does? Taysom wants to be a starting QB.... He had to get protection form that scenario. That's why the 2 year deal.

Was that reported by a real reporter? I just saw it said by a guy on a message board.