Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (6 Viewers)

[kjun3724]

Not to be a stickler for words, but "suggests" is a lot different than factual.
And did you post the CDC also said this was not correct, pretty quickly?

Just looked further. Yes the next day the cdc did walk back what she said. So you are saying we shouldn't hold our leaders responsible for their words? Also yall asked for examples saying "show me where they went on TV" or "no one ever said that". So I posted a comment from our President. Then the posts were "yeah but show me where a credible source from the CDC said it" apparently our President is a credible source. So I posted where the HEAD of the CDC came on TV and said it. Now it's oh well all that was back track the next day or two. Quit moving the goal posts.

Was she wrong or was she OUTRIGHT LYING" as you put it?


I have to ask, do you have ANY vaccinations? are your children vaccinated?
The Gov't was never gonna FORCE anyone to get vaccinated. It may have made your life harder if they did mandate it, but ultimetly you would have had a choice.
But Words matter, but to some people they don't.

My kids, my wife and myself are vaccinated with the standard vaccinations we should have at our current marks. My 14 yo daughter has everything but the second round of 1. My wife knows better on which that is, something about it can cause cervical or ovarian cancer. Again not in my wheel house so I leave it to them and their doc to figure it out. My son is 10 and has all he should have at this age. The only shots we don't get are the flu shot. I am laid up for a week every time I have gotten it. When I dont I make it through the year just fine.

I am not anti Vax. Just anti covid Vax till I know more. It was forced on workers as those that didn't want it were getting laid off in government and some private sectors. They also made life a birch for those that didn't want it. Tried to make us feel like lepers to society. Common statements were made like "You're killing someone's grandma". Even now in this thread after it has been proven the vaccine wasn't as effective as previously thought, people are still getting bashed.

 

[DaveXA]

Just looked further. Yes the next day the cdc did walk back what she said. So you are saying we shouldn't hold our leaders responsible for their words?

Isn't walking back and correcting their statements holding them accountable? I already said in previous posts that if they made inaccurate statements, they're wrong. I stand by what i said. It's not moving anything.

Also yall asked for examples saying "show me where they went on TV" or "no one ever said that". So I posted a comment from our President.

The President is a terrible source. Posting what he said in terms of vaccinations and Covid is pointless. I mean we had comments of disinfectants, injections and UV light treatments from another President, so... .

Then the posts were "yeah but show me where a credible source from the CDC said it" apparently our President is a credible source.

No, he's not.

So I posted where the HEAD of the CDC came on TV and said it. Now it's oh well all that was back track the next day or two. Quit moving the goal posts.

No goal post moving here. The director of the CDC made inaccurate statements and her pwn agency corrected her. And regardless, the quotes you're using are dated. You won't find anything recent like that since we all know more now than we did then.

My kids, my wife and myself are vaccinated with the standard vaccinations we should have at our current marks. My 14 yo daughter has everything but the second round of 1. My wife knows better on which that is, something about it can cause cervical or ovarian cancer. Again not in my wheel house so I leave it to them and their doc to figure it out. My son is 10 and has all he should have at this age.

Good.

The only shots we don't get are the flu shot. I am laid up for a week every time I have gotten it. When I dont I make it through the year just fine.

Fair enough. I don't do flu shots either. But my parents are higher risk, so they do the flu shots. I might get to that point eventually as well.

I am not anti Vax. Just anti covid Vax till I know more.

We know far more now than a year or 24 months ago, but even then, we knew a lot about how the vaccines worked for a decade prior. The vaccines aren't as new as you think.

It was forced on workers as those that didn't want it were getting laid off in government and some private sectors.

Isn't that how free enterprise works? If businesses want to protect their companies and the people that interact with them, they're going to rely on public policy guidelines. There were some local and state regulations on masking and other requirements, but none of that was federally mandated.

They also made life a birch for those that didn't want it. Tried to make us feel like lepers to society.

There's a reason for that.

Common statements were made like "You're killing someone's grandma"..

Well, it's happened thousands of times across the country. Yes, someone knowing they were infected exposed their family members who died from it. It does happen. So it can be true.

Even now in this thread after it has been proven the vaccine wasn't as effective as previously thought, people are still getting bashed.

The vaccine is actually very effective in reducing severity of the disease and deaths from Covid post-vax are exceedingly rare. So while in some respects it's not nearly as effective at prevention as previously thought, it's still very effective in meaningful ways.

 

[faceman]

Just looked further. Yes the next day the cdc did walk back what she said. So you are saying we shouldn't hold our leaders responsible for their words? Also yall asked for examples saying "show me where they went on TV" or "no one ever said that". So I posted a comment from our President. Then the posts were "yeah but show me where a credible source from the CDC said it" apparently our President is a credible source. So I posted where the HEAD of the CDC came on TV and said it. Now it's oh well all that was back track the next day or two. Quit moving the goal posts.

My kids, my wife and myself are vaccinated with the standard vaccinations we should have at our current marks. My 14 yo daughter has everything but the second round of 1. My wife knows better on which that is, something about it can cause cervical or ovarian cancer. Again not in my wheel house so I leave it to them and their doc to figure it out. My son is 10 and has all he should have at this age. The only shots we don't get are the flu shot. I am laid up for a week every time I have gotten it. When I dont I make it through the year just fine.

I am not anti Vax. Just anti covid Vax till I know more. It was forced on workers as those that didn't want it were getting laid off in government and some private sectors. They also made life a birch for those that didn't want it. Tried to make us feel like lepers to society. Common statements were made like "You're killing someone's grandma". Even now in this thread after it has been proven the vaccine wasn't as effective as previously thought, people are still getting bashed.

We have nearly 3 years of clinical data on the vaccine. I don't believe this will change anyones mind,but it's
a link to the Mayo Clinic. They are highly respected in the medical field. They are not politically biased at
all. They don't care who the Potus is, or what political party holds the position. Their opinion and advice
is based soley on the data the studies provide. Hopefully this will answer a lot of questions you may have.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859

From a link within the link

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-experts-debunk-covid-19-vaccine-myths/

MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines are not safe because they were rapidly developed and tested.
This is not true, according to Dr. Andrew Badley, an infectious diseases specialist and head of Mayo Clinic's COVID-19 Research Task Force.

"There was fast-tracking in the execution of the clinical trials. It's very important to know what parts were fast-tracked and which parts were not," says Dr. Badley. "The fast-tracked part were regulatory approvals, funding, data analysis and submission to the FDA (Food and Drug Administration). Those are all paperwork items. What was not fast-tracked was enrollment of patients, clinical follow-up of these patients, capturing the events which occurred and the follow-up. These trials were executed very well."

 

[Optimus Prime]

Just looked further. Yes the next day the cdc did walk back what she said. So you are saying we shouldn't hold our leaders responsible for their words? Also yall asked for examples saying "show me where they went on TV" or "no one ever said that". So I posted a comment from our President. Then the posts were "yeah but show me where a credible source from the CDC said it" apparently our President is a credible source. So I posted where the HEAD of the CDC came on TV and said it. Now it's oh well all that was back track the next day or two. Quit moving the goal posts.

I really can't respond to this properly without getting way too political so I'll just address this next bit

I am not anti Vax. Just anti covid Vax till I know more.

This statement made some sense when the vaccines were first rolled out. It makes zero sense now.

Since they were first introduced BILLIONS of initial doses and boosters have been given. Covid deaths and hospitalizations are way down from their peak rates. My understanding is that side effects or adverse reactions are rare and in line with any other vaccine or medication. And the vaccine has allowed life and society to pretty much go 'back to normal'

So, when you say "till I know more" what exactly do you mean by that? What specific information do you need that you don't already have?

 

[kjun3724]

We know far more now than a year or 24 months ago, but even then, we knew a lot about how the vaccines worked for a decade prior. The vaccines aren't as new as you think.

You are right mNRA vaccines have been tested since the 70s but this is new to the public. That is straight from the CDC's website. "This type of vaccine is new, but research and development on it has been underway for decades."- https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

Shouldn't one be a little skeptical about something be tried for the first time? Especially one that is being rushed to market? With the fact that kids weren't high risk, not saying they werent getting sick, of severe cases and use being fairly healthy; we decided to not get it. People deciding for themselves they dont want to risk it shouldn't be looked at as scum of society. If the vaccine helps prevent illness, then those that get it shouldn't be afraid of those that dont want it. Get the shot, wear a mask if you want and stay the recommended 6' away and everyone should be happy.

We choose to take the risk of not taking it and made it through. Look I was very afraid of this new virus going around. I went down every rabbit hole i found looking for answers, and boy did I find doozies. In the end my doctor and I decided not to take it. He was neither for or against it. I know he (he had too) and his wife took the shot but i dont know if his kids did. After getting sick and only having mild symptoms, he and I discussed it again and decided to stay the course and we would be fine.

 

[kjun3724]

I really can't respond to this properly without getting way too political so I'll just address this next bit


This statement made some sense when the vaccines were first rolled out. It makes zero sense now.

Since they were first introduced BILLIONS of initial doses and boosters have been given. Covid deaths and hospitalizations are way down from their peak rates. My understanding is that side effects or adverse reactions are rare and in line with any other vaccine or medication. And the vaccine has allowed life and society to pretty much go 'back to normal'

So, when you say "till I know more" what exactly do you mean by that? What specific information do you need that you don't already have?

I want 5-10 years of independent data. You're right there have been billions of shots given. Short term data suggests it's safe. As I have stated previously, i had covid 2x and been fine. The second round was milder than the first time, with the first round being mild in itself.

My question to you is, why are you pushing so hard for everyone to get the shot? If you have it, arent you protected? It is proven that the shot doesnt eradicate the virus. It just makes the symptoms milder. My mom has the shot and boosted, she has cought it 3x. Father in lay shot and boosted, would wear 2-3 masks, secluded himself when he didnt have to be out, and staid away from family events. After catching it a 3rd time he decided to say screw it and just enjoy life.

So why this big push to make those of us that dont want it to feel like outcasts or that we are dumb for not getting it?

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

There was a period of time there when the vaccines really did stop transmission and that was part of the vax campaign. And then Omicron came and all that went out the window (along with non-k95 mask effectiveness). It still lessens the effects of COVID and is worth doing for anyone outside of a tiny sliver of the population IMO but its unfortunate that the PR campaign started out that way - they broke the cardinal rule of 'underpromise and overdeliver.' Downplaying natural immunity didn't help either.

I got I think 1 booster but nothing since then (except for I did have 1 confirmed case of covid after the booster). At this point I am rolling with what I have in terms of vax/booster/natural immunuty.

 

[faceman]

I want 5-10 years of independent data. You're right there have been billions of shots given. Short term data suggests it's safe. As I have stated previously, i had covid 2x and been fine. The second round was milder than the first time, with the first round being mild in itself.

My question to you is, why are you pushing so hard for everyone to get the shot? If you have it, arent you protected? It is proven that the shot doesnt eradicate the virus. It just makes the symptoms milder. My mom has the shot and boosted, she has cought it 3x. Father in lay shot and boosted, would wear 2-3 masks, secluded himself when he didnt have to be out, and staid away from family events. After catching it a 3rd time he decided to say screw it and just enjoy life.

So why this big push to make those of us that dont want it to feel like outcasts or that we are dumb for not getting it?

Once again from the Mayo link. I can respect you wanting 5-10 years,but if anything were bad to happen
it would have happened long before now. 3 years is enough evidence imho.

MYTH: I already had COVID-19 and recovered, so I don't need to be vaccinated for COVID-19.
This is not true, according to Dr. Abinash Virk, an infectious diseases specialist and co-chair of Mayo Clinic's COVID-19 Vaccine Allocation and Distribution Work Group.

"For the people who think that they've had COVID-19 and they don't need the vaccine, you still want to get the vaccine because it's going to give you long-term protection."

 

[Arathrael]

No goal post moving here. The director of the CDC made inaccurate statements and her pwn agency corrected her. And regardless, the quotes you're using are dated. You won't find anything recent like that since we all know more now than we did then.

Right, and we also had detailed data then too. For example, from the CDC at that time (2021):

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Huge amounts of detail on the vaccine effectiveness at that time, which underlines how effective they were; which was highly, but not 100%. And unfortunately, as @Mr. Sparkle says, subsequently reduced by Omicron. We also found out about how much of a waning effect there is against protection against infection over time as well (hence subsequent booster campaigns).

But the point is, the details have been easily available this whole time. If someone is really doing their own research to find out about this stuff, and they're missing this stuff, all they're showing is that they're bad at research.

And I'll add, that goes the same for if they've 'done their own research' and haven't found out that the potential effects of catching Covid are far, far, worse than the potential effects of the vaccination.

 

[DaveXA]

Right, and we also had detailed data then too. For example, from the CDC at that time (2021):

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Huge amounts of detail on the vaccine effectiveness at that time, which underlines how effective they were; which was highly, but not 100%. And unfortunately, as @Mr. Sparkle says, subsequently reduced by Omicron. We also found out about how much of a waning effect there is against protection against infection over time as well (hence subsequent booster campaigns).

But the point is, the details have been easily available this whole time. If someone is really doing their own research to find out about this stuff, and they're missing this stuff, all they're showing is that they're bad at research.

And I'll add, that goes the same for if they've 'done their own research' and haven't found out that the potential effects of catching Covid are far, far, worse than the potential effects of the vaccination.

Well said. Thank you.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Just looked further. Yes the next day the cdc did walk back what she said. So you are saying we shouldn't hold our leaders responsible for their words? Also yall asked for examples saying "show me where they went on TV" or "no one ever said that". So I posted a comment from our President. Then the posts were "yeah but show me where a credible source from the CDC said it" apparently our President is a credible source. So I posted where the HEAD of the CDC came on TV and said it. Now it's oh well all that was back track the next day or two. Quit moving the goal posts.

My kids, my wife and myself are vaccinated with the standard vaccinations we should have at our current marks. My 14 yo daughter has everything but the second round of 1. My wife knows better on which that is, something about it can cause cervical or ovarian cancer. Again not in my wheel house so I leave it to them and their doc to figure it out. My son is 10 and has all he should have at this age. The only shots we don't get are the flu shot. I am laid up for a week every time I have gotten it. When I dont I make it through the year just fine.

I am not anti Vax. Just anti covid Vax till I know more. It was forced on workers as those that didn't want it were getting laid off in government and some private sectors. They also made life a birch for those that didn't want it. Tried to make us feel like lepers to society. Common statements were made like "You're killing someone's grandma". Even now in this thread after it has been proven the vaccine wasn't as effective as previously thought, people are still getting bashed.

So you put stock in a few statements that were walked back quickly instead of the walkback on those statements? is that what you consider the Gov't LYING to you about?

 

[Doug B]

It is proven that the shot doesnt eradicate the virus.

The vaccines don't need to eradicate the virus and, indeed, were never meant to.

No vaccines eradicate a virus. What vaccines do -- at a societal level, not a personal level -- is deny as much safe haven to a given pathogen as possible. This doesn't mean eradication. This doesn't mean people stop getting infected. "Denying safe haven" doesn't even mean people stop getting sick from a given pathogen.

Denying safe haven means that when as a virus moves through society, it's fought off by antibodies sooner and in greater numbers. People who do get infected have generally milder symptoms and shed virus for less time. The virus has to transmit through tighter and limiting constraints through a vaccinated society than an unvaccinated one.

All this has to be evaluated at a society-wide level, not a personal level. None of the "I know someone who ..." stuff matters a whit. Someone had the vaccine and got COVID a month later? Statistically, that's supposed to happen. Someone took the vaccine and afterwards was too tired to get out of bed for a few days? Statistically, that's supposed to happen. Someone took the vaccine and coincidentally had a stroke two weeks later? Statistically, that's supposed to happen, too.

Vaccines, you see, are a society-level tool, not a personal-level tool. "Just get the vaccine and you'll be protected -- why worry about what others do?" No to that, because a vaccine's effectiveness depends on a high percentage of society taking the vaccine.

Take a well-known vaccine success story -- the polio vaccines that became widespread in the 1950s. When someone took the polio vaccine, did they become "bulletproof" against polio? Not at all. What happened was that a high percentage of kids got vaccinated in a relatively short time. Polio was once able to move through society in wide open spaces, unfettered. After widespread adoption of the polio vaccines and an ongoing child vaccination effort that has never let up since, polio's safe haven was reduced to a spare trickle through a kinked garden hose. But it took a dense network of vaccinated people to wrestle polio down to the ground like that. Not onesie-twosies getting vaccinated for themselves here and there.

 

[SWJJ]

Vaccines have "virtually" eliminated polio, measles, mumps, and rubella.

There is a TON of conflicting and confusing information out in the stratosphere about vaccines and the COVID vax.

I wholly understand having a distrust of the government.

Misinformation is rampant. I get why people are making the "wrong" choice on the vaccine and still do not understand all the deets.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Vaccines have "virtually" eliminated polio, measles, mumps, and rubella.

and anti vax mania has led to some outbreaks occuring

 

[DaveXA]

and anti vax mania has led to some outbreaks occuring

Absolutely. Antivaxers have definitely used the covid situation to advance their own conspiracy theories. It's disgusting.