Build the Saints' 3-4 Defense (57 Viewers)

[OzzieSaint]

Ridgeway is built to be a 34 NT imo

He played his part every time he was in the game since we traded for him. Few tackles, 1PD, 1 Kick blocked.
He's only 25.

 

[Big_L]

Eff it, 4-6!

 

[Bayou_City]

Can you explain why Bresee playing 3tech in a 3-4 between a 5tech and a 1tech is harder than him playing 3 tech in a 4-3 between a 5tech and a 1tech?

He makes tackles on run plays on avg 3-4 deep up field.

He will get demolished in a 3-4 system. I'm talking abused.

His strengths are 4-3 in the NFL and then it's a toss up.

1st round draft pick can't even start smh

 

[Bayou_City]

I agree that a 4-3 3-tech is his natural spot. As far as success in a new scheme, it depends on what he is asked to do (one-gap versus two-gap) and on his alignment (how often will he get double teams). He could end up doing mostly the same things in a 3-4 one gap scheme that he has been doing in his time with the Saints.

And that would make him a bust. Idk bout y'all but I'd rather have a run stopping DT than a pass rushing DT that can't play 4 downs.

When a team can establish the run, they can run the clock up and pass at will .just stopping the pass and not the run is not a winning recipe for the defense. Esp now our DBS are getting banged up and can be contested.

Bresee has to show the world he can stay in the league and can be a starter in year 3.

I would seriously prefer him to drop 20 lbs and become a DE. He will kill.

 

[TruSaint]

He makes tackles on run plays on avg 3-4 deep up field.

He will get demolished in a 3-4 system. I'm talking abused.

His strengths are 4-3 in the NFL and then it's a toss up.

1st round draft pick can't even start smh

Still didn’t answer my question. How would his responsibilities as a 3tech in a 3-4 under 1 gap system differ than in a 4-3 3 tech? I’d argue a 3-4 defensive end 3 tech has less run responsibilities than in a 3-4 with there being more defenders at the line. It’s the entire reason most DT/DE tweeters are used in the 3-4 DE position.

Also most of his run defense woes were due to him being forced to play nose tackle in the nickel so cam Jordan could move inside to 3 tech. Make Bresee a permanent 3 tech and he will be fine.

 

[Bayou_City]

Still didn’t answer my question. How would his responsibilities as a 3tech in a 3-4 under 1 gap system differ than in a 4-3 3 tech? I’d argue a 3-4 defensive end 3 tech has less run responsibilities than in a 3-4 with there being more defenders at the line. It’s the entire reason most DT/DE tweeters are used in the 3-4 DE position.

Also most of his run defense woes were due to him being forced to play nose tackle in the nickel so cam Jordan could move inside to 3 tech. Make Bresee a permanent 3 tech and he will be fine.

I just hope he proves me wrong in year 3 cause as of today 02/01/2025, it ain't looking good for ol boy.

 

[Jd101]

If we're moving to a 3-4 one of our first two picks needs to be a SOLB.

Green, Pierce, Ezeiruaku, or Umanmielen being my favorite.

J. Walker

 

[meily]

There's nothing good about base 3-4 defenses anymore than base 4-3 defenses. Both get schooled more consistently than defenses built to disguise blitzes and coverages.

Niners, Ravens, Rams, Chiefs... the one thing they have in common is constant disguises in their blitzes and coverages. Disguises are a bit easier to do in a 3-4 if you have the right personnel. But on the flip side of that, 4-3 disguises tend to have a better-performing front line.

So, I'd like the focus to be shifted more toward disguising the defense well.

With that in mind, stacking each level of the defense with an impactful player is the best way to have a versatile defense, because as you stated a hybrid scheme gets the most impact on the field than a traditional 4-3 or 3-4 so scheme wise if we do not have the talent to execute it does not matter what base defense we install

 

[BreesHOF2024]

He makes tackles on run plays on avg 3-4 deep up field.

He will get demolished in a 3-4 system. I'm talking abused.

His strengths are 4-3 in the NFL and then it's a toss up.

1st round draft pick can't even start smh

He’s our best DL by far. We’re starting guys who should be selling insurance next to him and 2 washed up DEs

 

[Bayou_City]

He’s our best DL by far. We’re starting guys who should be selling insurance next to him and 2 washed up DEs

Listen. I gave him his flowers. Which is at pass rushing. Plus he has agility for his size, which is why I want him to drop 20lbs and become the Will Smith DE we need with Cam perhaps leaving the sunset. Him and Granderson should ball out if we get a true DT in the draft.

 

[Taurus]

And that would make him a bust. Idk bout y'all but I'd rather have a run stopping DT than a pass rushing DT that can't play 4 downs.

When a team can establish the run, they can run the clock up and pass at will .just stopping the pass and not the run is not a winning recipe for the defense. Esp now our DBS are getting banged up and can be contested.

Bresee has to show the world he can stay in the league and can be a starter in year 3.

I would seriously prefer him to drop 20 lbs and become a DE. He will kill.

3-4 DE's are typically on the larger side. The type who aren't fast enough to rush the passer and aren't big enough to clog the middle.

And that's where the 3-4 shines to me. We've been looking for someone to put next to Cam since we let T-rex walk. First rounder after first rounder and diddlyall for results.

So, just drop that pursuit as a bad job and look for linebackers instead.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I agree that a 4-3 3-tech is his natural spot. As far as success in a new scheme, it depends on what he is asked to do (one-gap versus two-gap) and on his alignment (how often will he get double teams). He could end up doing mostly the same things in a 3-4 one gap scheme that he has been doing in his time with the Saints.

Learned something new today doing research on our potential DC.

They don’t 2 gap or 1 gap. They gap and a 1/2. This is what allows the safeties in the scheme to “get there” in the words of Brandon Staley.

So they aren’t just reading like a two gap and neither are they just flat out penetrating a single gap at the snap. It’s somewhat of a mixture

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

As much as Underhill said Adebo didn’t feel like a natural fit in Allen’s scheme he’d be an ideal fit in a match zone scheme.

He’s an easy resign at this point barring his recovery is something they feel he’ll return 100% from.

Saban ran a similar scheme on back end for years at Bama so Kool Aid should translate too. Hopefully Taylor goes back to slot or allow he and Kool Aid to compete for LCB. Taylor would be a striker in the run game as the weak side CB. I can see him obliterating receivers on screens to his side.

Mathieu is an iffy fit now imho because of how much he’s regressed in tackling. There’s less sitting in deep 3rd and he’ll be required to be a run fit more often.

I see some Aldon Smith in Mykel Williams, especially if we let Chase Young Walk

The secondary drives this defense

 

[Rouxble]

Learned something new today doing research on our potential DC.

They don’t 2 gap or 1 gap. They gap and a 1/2. This is what allows the safeties in the scheme to “get there” in the words of Brandon Staley.

So they aren’t just reading like a two gap and neither are they just flat out penetrating a single gap at the snap. It’s somewhat of a mixture

I think you still need prototypical two-gap players to play that gap and a half scheme, particularly tall defensive ends with long arms. The gap and a half structure just allows you to play with a lighter box because the DL will clog the middle and buy time for the second and third level defenders to tackle the runner when they are forced outside. Staley picked up the system from working with Fangio in Chicago and Denver.

 

[MikeyF]

Still didn’t answer my question. How would his responsibilities as a 3tech in a 3-4 under 1 gap system differ than in a 4-3 3 tech? I’d argue a 3-4 defensive end 3 tech has less run responsibilities than in a 3-4 with there being more defenders at the line. It’s the entire reason most DT/DE tweeters are used in the 3-4 DE position.

Also most of his run defense woes were due to him being forced to play nose tackle in the nickel so cam Jordan could move inside to 3 tech. Make Bresee a permanent 3 tech and he will be fine.

If we go to a 3-4 Bresee drops the weight and plays DE...
He would have to put on 30 lbs to play NT... I don't think he would be the same player with the extra weight.