Derek Carr - Why People Dislike Him (IMO) (1 Viewer)

[DSnfla]

It also begs the question, even in the best of circumstances would Derek Carr magically become a great QB and a leader of men?

To me, this is just a another bad decision by personnel folks (Loomis, et al) to placate an incompetent head coach.....

Both can be true....(which was kind of my point all along)....

Best of circumstances? Whatis that? I guarantee that if SP was here we'd be at least 9-4 maybe 10-3 and already have won the division , WITH the same personnel. DC had quite a few moments of being an above-average to very good QB in LV when he had good coaching, heck even when Del Rio was HC he was 3rd in the MVP voting and they went 12-4 and Del Rio is not a great coach

 

[Elvis]

I agree with you on a lot of things but DC is NOWHERE near close to where he has been in the past, not stat wise and not performance-wise. He was MUCH better in LV.

I live 15 minutes from Oakland and have seen quite a lot of Derek Carr before this year. I don't "follow" the Raiders, but they were the team on TV. I've seen enough that I was luke warm on him signing with the Saints but open to seeing what a change of scenery could do for him.

That said, I did say statistically. He actually has a better QB rating, completion % and Int % this year than his Raiders average. His TD % and Yards per game is worse this year than his Raiders average.

He did look better with the Raiders than he looks here though. There is hardly any denying that.

 

[DSnfla]

It gets worse for Carr vs Carolina. Sean Fazende of Fox 8 went back and broke down the film and noticed that Carmichael shortened the all routes in the passing game and said that its more than likely its to compensate for his injuries. If that is the case, he should be sitting and Jameis should be starting. This is what Sean Fazende said on one of the Fox 8 shows and repeated it on his weekly spot on the Eric Asher show.

C'mon man Fazende??? he's a hack just like Mackle. NO experience breaking down film and is talking out his butt. Carolina has the #6 pass D they were playing single high safety trying to not let the us complete the big stuff and we still got one to AT and really should of had one to Olave if he would have high-pointed the ball, he was recovering from illness so he gets a pass

 

[DSnfla]

LOL you post a vid of a guy that 1st does not even post his name and hides behind a moniker so you can't check his qualifications and 2nd starts his vid with "This is our weekly vid on why DC is a bad QB. LOL Maybe you should go back to quoting the drunk Bobby Hebert

 

[DSnfla]

I live 15 minutes from Oakland and have seen quite a lot of Derek Carr before this year. I don't "follow" the Raiders, but they were the team on TV. I've seen enough that I was luke warm on him signing with the Saints but open to seeing what a change of scenery could do for him.

That said, I did say statistically. He actually has a better QB rating, completion % and Int % this year than his Raiders average. His TD % and Yards per game is worse this year than his Raiders average.

He did look better with the Raiders than he looks here though. There is hardly any denying that.

You still can't ignore the yrs he had even with an average HC and a bit above average OC in Musgrave in 16 . Plus in 19 he was top 8 . No reason not to think he could return to that level with a good HC/OC. Which we are nowhere close to having now

 

[DSnfla]

Olave is running an option route on that play, he correctly sits down with defenders on either side of him. Defenses will bracket that route in single high as they did here, but that opens up the deep route in a 1v1 matchup.

We should know that, Carr scored a TD against us a few years ago with the same concept when the option route was bracketed. We aren’t running plays that Carr hasn’t run in the past, he just refuses to run them now.


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Are you saying PC refuses to run them?

 

[Elvis]

You still can't ignore the yrs he had even with an average HC and a bit above average OC in Musgrave in 16 . Plus in 19 he was top 8 . No reason not to think he could return to that level with a good HC/OC. Which we are nowhere close to having now

That is the best case scenario though. We don't have a good HC/OC so that part doesn't matter. His prior HCs and OCs don't matter either. If everything has to be perfect for him to succeed then we aren't the team for him. I'm not sure what team is. That is why it isn't good practice to sign QBs that need to be elevated by others. We need to start drafting QBs early and often until we find one that elevates everyone else.

 

[DSnfla]

That is the best case scenario though. We don't have a good HC/OC so that part doesn't matter. His prior HCs and OCs don't matter either. If everything has to be perfect for him to succeed then we aren't the team for him. I'm not sure what team is. That is why it isn't good practice to sign QBs that need to be elevated by others. We need to start drafting QBs early and often until we find one that elevates everyone else.

Prior HC's and OC's do matter. HC/OC may be the biggest part of a successful offense. Look at Shanahan. He has success with JG and now with Purdy a last pick in the draft. . Look at what Johnson did with Goff, What Waldron did for Geno Smith. Not saying everything has to be perfect for DC to return to or be even better than he was in OAK/LV . But you can't have a coaching staff as bad as ours and expect much good to happen pretty much whoever is @QB. Really, can you name a coaching staff as bad or worse than ours?

 

[SystemShock]

Best of circumstances? Whatis that? I guarantee that if SP was here we'd be at least 9-4 maybe 10-3 and already have won the division , WITH Winston at QB

Fify

 

[Elvis]

Prior HC's and OC's do matter. HC/OC may be the biggest part of a successful offense. Look at Shanahan. He has success with JG and now with Purdy a last pick in the draft. . Look at what Johnson did with Goff, What Waldron did for Geno Smith. Not saying everything has to be perfect for DC to return to or be even better than he was in OAK/LV . But you can't have a coaching staff as bad as ours and expect much good to happen pretty much whoever is @QB. Really, can you name a coaching staff as bad or worse than ours?

With Purdy, lets calm down a minute until we see what he becomes. He may be the next Brady type steal and the 49ers may have won the lottery with that pick. There is no arguing that those teams have better coaching. The rest of those QBs are mediocre just like Carr at best. I'm not picking a coach to fix any of those QBs because their ceiling is low. If that's the QB you have, then you pick the coach you want and hope he can get more out of them while drafting for better. Obviously, we went sideways on that.

 

[DSnfla]

With Purdy, lets calm down a minute until we see what he becomes. He may be the next Brady type steal and the 49ers may have won the lottery with that pick. There is no arguing that those teams have better coaching. The rest of those QBs are mediocre just like Carr at best. I'm not picking a coach to fix any of those QBs because their ceiling is low. If that's the QB you have, then you pick the coach you want and hope he can get more out of them while drafting for better. Obviously, we went sideways on that.

Well Purdy is maybe the biggest reason they were in the NFC championship game last yr and in all likelihood will be again. . No one can really tell with any real accuracy what the ceiling will be on ANY player much less a QB. Heck Shanahan took Garoppolo to a SB . Bet you said his ceiling was low. The fact is that numerous QB's that were mediocre or their ceiling was low have WON SB's . And it was because they had good to great coaching. You think Gruden said " Yeah Brad Johnson is gonna win me a SB" But he probably said " Yeah I might be able to coach him to a SB "

 

[DSnfla]

That is the best case scenario though. We don't have a good HC/OC so that part doesn't matter. His prior HCs and OCs don't matter either. If everything has to be perfect for him to succeed then we aren't the team for him. I'm not sure what team is. That is why it isn't good practice to sign QBs that need to be elevated by others. We need to start drafting QBs early and often until we find one that elevates everyone else.

EVERY QB needs to be elevated by coaching. I guarantee that you put Maholmes with our coaching staff he will struggle

 

[Elvis]

Well Purdy is maybe the biggest reason they were in the NFC championship game last yr and in all likelihood will be again. . No one can really tell with any real accuracy what the ceiling will be on ANY player much less a QB. Heck Shanahan took Garoppolo to a SB . Bet you said his ceiling was low. The fact is that numerous QB's that were mediocre or their ceiling was low have WON SB's . And it was because they had good to great coaching. You think Gruden said " Yeah Brad Johnson is gonna win me a SB" But he probably said " Yeah I might be able to coach him to a SB "

EVERY QB needs to be elevated by coaching. I guarantee that you put Maholmes with our coaching staff he will struggle

Don't take me wrong. I know good coaching makes a difference. The lack of good coaching is why Carr is bad and not mediocre on the Saints. But we shouldn't be striving for mediocre. Carr has a long history in the NFL and I understand he had a good year statistically in 2019, ranking 8th among QBs. But that doesn't make him a top 10 QB with good coaching in 2023. Do you know who the top QB statistically was in 2019? Jameis Winston. He threw the most yards and the 2nd most TDs. And the most INTs by a mile. Neither of these guys are taking you where you want to go, even with better coaching. They will always be flawed QBs that you have to work around.

You can defend Carr as not the problem with this team and be completely correct because it cleary IS coaching. That does not mean that Carr is ever going to be the Saints solution at QB because he simply isn't a guy that will elevate the guys around him. He doesn't have the passing skills, the leadership skills and honestly the smarts that it takes to be a great NFL starter. And that isn't a knock on him. Every year 1/4 of the league actively try to replace their QB and even more would if there was a guaranteed upgrade available.

 

[jahsoul357]

Do you know who the top QB statistically was in 2019? Jameis Winston. He threw the most yards and the 2nd most TDs. And the most INTs by a mile.

While leading the #3 offense in both yards and points.

One day, someone will actually break down the Bucs 2019 season. Imagine when people realize the entire narrative of the season is really around 4 games..lol.

-They lost 3 NFC games where they averaged nearly 30 points a game, won the turnover battle, AND Winston had a passer rating of over 100
-They were knocked out of playoff contention during the middle of a 4 game winning streak and a 7-7 record.
-16 of his 30 interceptions came in 4 games. He threw interceptions in less games than Drew did in 2010.
-Macro allows us to view that season on "general perception" instead of what actually happened.

I will say this; they said that the first season of Bruce Arians offense will be the worst for any QB. If that is the case, Tampa Bay did us a favor by thinking "short term" instead of long term because if 5k yards, 33TDs and 30INTs is your WORST, God forbid what it would have been as he matured in that system.

Neither of these guys are taking you where you want to go, even with better coaching. They will always be flawed QBs that you have to work around.

I'll have to disagree with you here. We saw 2016 Derek Carr and, skill wise, Winston is actually a better QB than most in the league. (his biggest issue has always been trusting his arm and receivers a little too much).

Every QB has flaws and great coaching work around them. There is a reason you won't see Mahomes take a 7 step drop while performing a full field read and letting the ball go on schedule but you saw it from Alex Smith. There is no perfect QB; only the scheme to match their skillset. If you think neither Carr nor Winston have skillsets that can be successful in this league, then you really haven't looked at film or broken down their game. I've said this before and people took it all kinds of wrong.

Carr would excel in the offense the Saints ran from 2017-2020. He is a WCO guy and the offense during the latter Brees years would suit him much better. We would still have to figure out the red zone, as that has translated across schemes and coaches.
If you give Winston a variation of the 2011 Saints offense (Coryell based that is run/play-action heavy attacking the entire field vertically), we would probably have one of the best offenses in the league because that offense checks every box that Winston is legitimately elite in

 

[Dastheat_9]

C'mon man Fazende??? he's a hack just like Mackle. NO experience breaking down film and is talking out his butt. Carolina has the #6 pass D they were playing single high safety trying to not let the us complete the big stuff and we still got one to AT and really should of had one to Olave if he would have high-pointed the ball, he was recovering from illness so he gets a pass

Hey bro, I don’t care who post the video. Your boy didn’t go through his progression. He had a clean pocket. He completed a pass for a loss. This happens twice. You’re not snopes. Give me the reason why Derek Carr is good with sources? I have a question for you. Why did Derek Carr only have 38 yards passing with 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter?